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 Post subject: Prometheus
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:11 am  
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Could have been better.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
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The apple has fallen very far from the tree.

I'm gonna watch Alien and Aliens so that life makes sense again.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:53 pm  
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It wasnt awful, and the acting was pretty good.

but yeah, i find that most movie scientists subscribe to the Umbrella Corp methodology of science.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:10 am  
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Looks pretty awful, I'll still watch it (probably on the net) but I'm not expecting much.

brb watching Alien(s)
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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:28 am  
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Usdk wrote:
It wasnt awful, and the acting was pretty good.

but yeah, i find that most movie scientists subscribe to the Umbrella Corp methodology of science.


The acting was fine, but I don't find anything about the characters believable.

The crew in the first Alien is a bunch of miners, and they do pretty much everything right in terms of interaction with unknown environments (beyond the initial curiosity, and even then they were going to make it quick). In Prometheus we've got a handpicked team of scientists and a security detail, and all they do is fuck up royal. There is zero common sense, no proper operational procedure; shit, there isn't even any teamwork. It's like some billionaire was all "hey, I'm gonna make a gamble. I really want these guys to fulfill my life's dream, so I'm gonna make sure they don't even fucking meet before they get to the unexplored planet, so that when they're all inevitably incompatible, it can hinder progress." If you're an away team and you've got a biologist with you, why the fuck would you ever take off your helmet, even if the atmosphere's safe to breathe? There's such a thing as airborne contagion, and unknown bacteria, and harmful anomalous spores, etc. And while we're talking about biologists, why is it ever a good idea to pet a strange fucking snake-thing? If I'm a researcher who let's say has never seen a snake before, I'm still gonna fucking think twice before I pet the fucking thing. It might be poisonous.

And I think it's really canned that any Ph.D in 2090 would still believe in god. I get that it's part of the story, but it just ruins suspension of disbelief.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:36 am  
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you just gave a longwinded version of my umbrella corp analogy.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
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I occasionally like hearing myself type.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:46 pm  
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i liked it, but i don't know how that geologist folded himself up into a neat little package, then went apeshit on the crew after having his face presumably eaten by acid.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:28 am  
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The space jockey who drank the black goo and died in the first scene can be interpreted as him creating life through his death; when it zooms in underwater it shows cells dividing.

This is the same black goo in the vases (that melted the geologist's helmet/face), exploded the head, infected Holloway etc

I guess it affects humans differently than the space jockeys, but in what way? Do humans just go berserk and kill each other, or? It's supposed to be a biological weapon yet it doesn't kill us straight up? What happened to the biologist after he was face raped?

I've been typing this while preoccupied but I feel there needs to be a director's cut.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:03 am  
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Haven't seen the movie yet (will watch it when I have the time), but:

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a handpicked team of scientists, and all they do is fuck up royal. There is zero common sense, no proper operational procedure; shit, there isn't even any teamwork.


Sounds like an accurate portrayal of scientists.

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And I think it's really canned that any Ph.D in 2090 would still believe in god.


I'm very willing to believe there will still be plenty of Ph.Ds in 2090 who believe in "God" or a god. Scientists are some of the most reclusive, sheltered people I've ever come across.

In the lab I work in, we regularly scare off bright people from entering the scientific field. The only person I've seen go through that lab and then on to pursue a Ph.D was homeschooled and went to Bob Jones University (so you can sure as hell bet she believes in god). My mind was full of fuck when we took her out to lunch some years later, and she was going on about how disorienting it was to have to do your own laundry and prepare food for yourself; she was 24 years old at the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:34 am  
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Yewluze wrote:
The space jockey who drank the black goo and died in the first scene can be interpreted as him creating life through his death; when it zooms in underwater it shows cells dividing.

This is the same black goo in the vases (that melted the geologist's helmet/face), exploded the head, infected Holloway etc

I guess it affects humans differently than the space jockeys, but in what way? Do humans just go berserk and kill each other, or? It's supposed to be a biological weapon yet it doesn't kill us straight up? What happened to the biologist after he was face raped?

I've been typing this while preoccupied but I feel there needs to be a director's cut.


the black goo didn't melt his helmet/face, he cut the alien breaking the dudes arm and it's blood was acid. which is supposed to further imply that this was a prequel to Alien.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:42 pm  
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Alopex wrote:
Haven't seen the movie yet (will watch it when I have the time), but:

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a handpicked team of scientists, and all they do is fuck up royal. There is zero common sense, no proper operational procedure; shit, there isn't even any teamwork.


Sounds like an accurate portrayal of scientists.

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And I think it's really canned that any Ph.D in 2090 would still believe in god.


I'm very willing to believe there will still be plenty of Ph.Ds in 2090 who believe in "God" or a god. Scientists are some of the most reclusive, sheltered people I've ever come across.

In the lab I work in, we regularly scare off bright people from entering the scientific field. The only person I've seen go through that lab and then on to pursue a Ph.D was homeschooled and went to Bob Jones University (so you can sure as hell bet she believes in god). My mind was full of fuck when we took her out to lunch some years later, and she was going on about how disorienting it was to have to do your own laundry and prepare food for yourself; she was 24 years old at the time.


One sheltered "scientist" is no pattern. I live within a few feet of NYU's Courant Institute. Everyone working there is a huge turbonerd, and I'm sure the ones who aren't foreigners were plenty sheltered in their childhoods, but that doesn't mean any of them have diva-style personalities, refuse to play nice with others, or believe superstitious nonsense. Scientists, contrary to how film likes to portray them, are not totally devoid of common sense; if they were, we'd have far more nuclear meltdowns, Los Alamos would never have succeeded, chemical weapons would have failed spectacularly instead of being readily produced without incident.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:45 pm  
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Yuratuhl wrote:
I occasionally like hearing myself type.

I recommend the Steelseries 6Gv2 for this. It's loud as fuck.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
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Yuratuhl wrote:
...nuclear meltdowns, Los Alamos would never have succeeded, chemical weapons would have failed spectacularly instead of being readily produced without incident.


I don't think any of those are related to "common sense," although I get what you're trying to say. They aren't completely incompetent, but I think many people would be surprised at the sort of things scientists regularly screw up. Many of them have no social tact and many of them are indeed superstitious (including some of the most senior-ranking people; see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins).

One of them asked me what a wrench was this week -- it's pretty ridiculous. Big Bang Theory has a kernel of truth to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Prometheus
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:18 pm  
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You'd also be surprised to know how many surgeons screw things up. You will never know because their mistakes are in your body.


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