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 Post subject: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:54 pm  
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Alright a little background here, recently I was brought on as an interning writer for Muze Magazine (small start up magazine). First article given was about the new Red Dawn remake set to come out over the summer. So roll back 2 hours ago, I started writing and watching the film (awesome movie) and got a decent way through it.

Basically, for those who haven't seen the film Russians invade Spokane, WA and a group of high schoolers fight them off. Stars Patrick Swayze, Charlie Sheen, The chick from Back to the Future, Ferris Bueller's Sisters and a few other people.

Well the remake doesn't look that bad, considering the cast, and the directors. Fucking Thor, Josh Peck (The Wackness), the new transformers chick, and some girl from Friday Night Lights. Solid cast, and the director did all the stunt coordination for the Bourne Films + a lot of Jason Statham films.

3/4 way through writing the article, it gets deleted and I get a letter from my editor saying this:
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Evan, I read through the start you have on the red dawn remake Take a look at this review in the atlantic

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... nk/261009/

That's along the lines of what I was looking for. Not that long, but similar is tone. Sorry but we wont publish a positive review of this movie because it's pretty clear it's gonna be a piece of crap LOL

So.... you can rewrite it OR ditch it. I'd prefer you move on to another article and for now stay away from reviews. Maybe start with a few video posts? Or a food article?


Well okay boss let's take a look at the article...huh it's going to be a shitty movie because it's illogical and fictional, versus I argued it would be an okay action flick because of the cast and director. Well okay, he's telling me "your opinion sucks, write someone else's opinion", in a review piece....the fuck.

So i send him back an email stating that I'll rewrite it to make it a bit more negative, but i'm not saying the movie is shit because another publication is saying so, and doing so is commiting Journalism suicide. I write not for what people want to hear, but what I have to say.

And then 5 minutes pass and i get this:
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Michael Dykstra good luck Eric! I have something like 23 writers. I don't think it's going to work out at this point but good luck with your career. Thanks much for giving this a try


So wow, 1st day on the internship, I get shit canned because I'm not going to be someone's puppet and throw away my morals/ethics.

So the question is:
Should I have handled this differently, or was I correct in being....well me?

BONUS POINTS: The Magazine's website for future criticism/trolling : muzemagazine.com


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 Post subject: Re: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:10 pm  
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Let's all get together and take them down!

Since you were an intern, realistically I would say you should just do whatever they say in order to further your career, get known and famous, and then shit all over muze. Idealistically, I think you should stick to your guns. You're spot on about not pandering to the masses and dancin to someone else's tune. Go cziikii!


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 Post subject: Re: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:22 pm  
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The big picture of entertainment journalism isn't anything like that. I'd say that you got stuck with one of the few bad apples in a much, much larger bunch; if your editor, after all, is that willing to cast professionalism aside in favor of his own juvenile (and quite wrong) opinions and prejudices, then it's likely that the publication will close down within a year or two, tops. That shit doesn't fly in the real world, nor has it ever --- especially for something so trivial! I mean, I'd at least understand the logic behind a blatant act of censorship in regard to a generally controversial subject, a là Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier, but for, of all things, a review? Fucking ridiculous.

Don't let this get you down, though. Is there another, similar internship available to you at the moment? Because if I were you, I'd take the first opportunity to at the very least forget the horseshit that was this incident.


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 Post subject: Re: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:52 pm  
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Is your name Evan or Eric? Your editor wasn't very clear.

(also he's clearly worthless)


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 Post subject: Re: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:18 pm  
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Name is Evan. So the Eric is a clear blow at "You are worthless and I get confused with 23 people writing for me"


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 Post subject: Re: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:33 pm  
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IMO start a blog and show the emails on the blog and blow those fuckers up in front of the millions (AND MILLIONS) of the Rocks fans....

I got a little sidetracked there, but you get my point.


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 Post subject: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:18 pm  
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If anything, build on this as a strength and a testament to the fact that you take honesty and principles seriously. Don't ever fucking sell out. Wait tables between jobs of you have to. It will hopefully pay off someday.


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 Post subject: Re: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:50 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
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Completely disagree with Dagery. Shit like this is why journalism and reviews suck, why the media etc is a mass of irrelevance, and why we get terribad $100m productions and really amazing indie stuff no one has heard of or ever will hear of.

You talk about morals and ethics. Frankly I don't see this as a question of ethics so much as a question of purpose. Why do you want to go into journalism? Surely it's not to be a puppet. So I think you did the right thing. To do otherwise would be following the road to nowhere.

So what do you do now? Idk. I am kind of in the same boat as you, I'd like to write to express my opinion but mainstream media is in its own la-la land.

The thing is that the media are the real losers in the end. People are going to stop reading the shit and buying the shit one way or the other. All they are accomplishing is annoying a lot of people and building a massive heap of irrelevance that will inevitably come crashing down. We just have to figure out what to do until that happens and to position ourselves to succeed when it does.

What do you think...Evan?


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 Post subject: Re: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
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Fantastique wrote:
Let's all get together and take them down!


I honestly, really, think we should do this. If you and I and Tuhl and Jushiro and Czliki and Azelma and Zaryi all got together and started some sort of populist business enterprise...

We just need to figure out what to do. Maybe start a good newspaper? Like, you know, a good one? Or maybe sell some sort of common-sense product? I need to think about this.

We could start a hostel that doubles as some sort of clearinghouse/young adult club...yes, that's it, a hostel/convention center that also prints a newspaper, using the guests for growing readership and publicity...it could work...we should talk more on saturday...


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 Post subject: Re: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
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Aestu wrote:
Fantastique wrote:
Let's all get together and take them down!


I honestly, really, think we should do this. If you and I and Tuhl and Jushiro and Czliki and Azelma and Zaryi all got together and started some sort of populist business enterprise...

We just need to figure out what to do. Maybe start a good newspaper? Like, you know, a good one? Or maybe sell some sort of common-sense product? I need to think about this.

We could start a hostel that doubles as some sort of clearinghouse/young adult club...yes, that's it, a hostel/convention center that also prints a newspaper, using the guests for growing readership and publicity...it could work...we should talk more on saturday...


It's 1968 and we're all socialists again.

But really, I'm game for anything that can be accomplished via email correspondence. My schedule isn't particularly loaded this semester (read: I have all the time in the world).


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 Post subject: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
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Video blog. YouTube channel?


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 Post subject: Re: The Tale of Cziiki and The Fall of Journalism
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Yuratuhl wrote:
It's 1968 and we're all socialists again.


Isn't it? Aren't we?

We may not be socialists per se, but we do want a better future for our country and the world at large. We don't give our generation enough credit. We could yet solve the problems facing our country and the world and be remembered as the generation that brought down the corps and established a new society of law, justice, and green technology opportunity. Or at least something better than this mess.

I thought of (or rather appropriated) a great slogan:
"Setting course for anywhere but here."

Yuratuhl wrote:
But really, I'm game for anything that can be accomplished via email correspondence. My schedule isn't particularly loaded this semester (read: I have all the time in the world).


I'll sleep on it and keep in touch. I'll think of something awesome...

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Video blog. YouTube channel?

This is what I was thinking exactly.

See, if this were 1932 or 1968, we could just write stuff and get it published. But today, people don't read books, books just don't have the power to motivate mass movements anymore. Youtube videos are how to reach people. We need to figure out some way to collaborate on this. Themes, scripts, etc.

That said I still think that newsletters and publications could be useful if we built a base through some sort of co-op...


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Anyone who thinks we don't give this generation enough credit doesn't work in a bar.


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