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 Post subject: Isn't the point of death row.... death?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:21 am  
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"Senegal has joined the international community in condemning Gambia's execution of nine death row inmates, two of whom were Senegalese."


Gambia: "Every sovereign state has its own national laws, which may be different from other countries, and in the case of the Gambia, the sentences that were handed out were in due compliance with the laws of the country," the statement said.

The "delegates" from the European Union, the United States and Britain were told that "no judicial system in the world is perfect, including in their own countries", the statement added."


United States: The death penalty is currently a legal sentence in 33 states and in the federal civilian and military legal systems.

Approx 27 inmates have been executed in the U.S. in 2012.


"Amnesty as well as the United States have called for Jammeh to stop the executions, saying many of the prisoners had unfair trials."



Hypocrisy much?


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 Post subject: Re: Isn't the point of death row.... death?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:03 am  
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No site that came up on Google said what the charges actually were. Are these political prisoners?

Either way, this isn't really about the death penalty or anything like that at all. It's about economic exploitation. The US and EU have been more than happy (and still are) to turn a blind eye to, or openly aid, all sorts of horribly evil regimes in Africa. They only trot out the sanctimonious human rights crap when they feel the regime isn't giving them something they want.

I looked into it. The real issue is China is buying up the Sengalese gold industry. The US is probably worried that China controlling a large section of the world's gold production will create a serious economic threat at a time the American currency is breaking down. To prevent that from happening, the US wants to influence - or replace - the Sengalese govt. Senegal also produces large quantities of phosphate and copper, materials also contested between the great powers.

That's what this is about. Control of copper, phosphate and gold production...and the rising power of China.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:01 am  
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Aestu wrote:
No site that came up on Google said what the charges actually were. Are these political prisoners?

Either way, this isn't really about the death penalty or anything like that at all. It's about economic exploitation. The US and EU have been more than happy (and still are) to turn a blind eye to, or openly aid, all sorts of horribly evil regimes in Africa. They only trot out the sanctimonious human rights crap when they feel the regime isn't giving them something they want.

I looked into it. The real issue is China is buying up the Sengalese gold industry. The US is probably worried that China controlling a large section of the world's gold production will create a serious economic threat at a time the American currency is breaking down. To prevent that from happening, the US wants to influence - or replace - the Sengalese govt. Senegal also produces large quantities of phosphate and copper, materials also contested between the great powers.

That's what this is about. Control of copper, phosphate and gold production...and the rising power of China.



Your edited response is much better, imo. Yes, these appear to be mostly political prisoners, some of whom have been awaiting execution for 15-20 years...treason, I believe.

So, the EU and US are supporting the Sengalese position against the execution of two of its citizens to ingratiate themselves to the current Sengalese government, or to better position themselves to overthrow this government for one for favorable to our needs? Is that it?

Even if this point is conceded, is the U.S. position criticizing a government for executions less hypocritical?


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 Post subject: Re: Isn't the point of death row.... death?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:16 am  
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Calling it hypocritical would imply that the issues are moral in nature. They aren't.


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 Post subject: Re: Isn't the point of death row.... death?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:03 pm  
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All the same, the United States has a long history of condemning practices overseas, despite engaging in similar ones at home.

You know, like getting all high-and-mighty about sweatshops and child labor, but consequently a) profiting immensely and b) not being a party to the Convention on the Rights of the Child (alongside Somalia and South Sudan. Yeah, we're really awesome).


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 Post subject: Isn't the point of death row.... death?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:18 pm  
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I won't take anything seriously if it's coming from the country with the highest prisoners per capita in the goddamn world.


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Battletard wrote:
I won't take anything seriously if it's coming from the country with the highest prisoners per capita in the goddamn world.


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 Post subject: Re: Isn't the point of death row.... death?
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Jushiro wrote:
Rehabilitation is overrated, money is not.


Except the former is actually much much much cheaper. Americans really are just that dumb.


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