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 Post subject: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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Go get it and let me train against your team. Kthx.

In other news, it's damn fun.


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 Post subject: Re: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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Reason #582029 why I need a 3DS

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 Post subject: Re: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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this game is a reason i hate handhelds. why couldn't this just come on one of the consoles ;_;
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hand held exclusives are a punch in the dick.


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 Post subject: Re: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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It's either 3DS or Wii U.

Either way, it's worth buying one for.

The more of us that get it, the better it'll become!


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 Post subject: Re: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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is it actually available for the weeoo? if so i'm okay, but fuck handhelds.
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 Post subject: Re: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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Maybe eventually. What I want is some kind of hook up where I can play my 3ds using the game pad.


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no money

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 Post subject: Re: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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Jushiro wrote:
no money

I have negative dollars.


at least you're a Canadian student.

If you were an American student, you'd have even more negative dollars.


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Yuratuhl wrote:
at least you're a Canadian student.
If you were an American student, you'd have even more negative dollars.


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 Post subject: Re: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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I saw something the other day about how the cost of a college education had grown by leaps-and-bounds relative to items. The author attributed to several things, the most interesting of which being colleges being the tool employers started using to qualify employees after civil rights legislation made some employment tests illegal (because minorities performed poorly on those tests). That increased the demand for degrees, which in turn drove up the cost. One of the other big factors the author noted was government subsidies, like Pell Grants. Normally subsidies drive down the cost of the product being subsidized, but in the case of education schools have raised their tuition prices knowing the government would subsidize their students, which in turn increases the amount of money the government put into those subsidies. It's had the effect of making college too expensive for everyone except students from wealthy families and those receiving the subsidies. You probably all have a friend who isn't rich yet has parents who "make too much" and don't qualify for aid.

The worst part is that colleges squander money on garbage like "women's studies" and churn students into bullshit degree programs that were worthless even before our current economic troubles. It's an absolute shame that people can spend tens-to-hundreds of thousands of dollars on a degree that conveys no marketable skills.

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 Post subject: Re: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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What you read would sound convincing to someone who doesn't understand the nuts and bolts of how the system actually works.

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Pell grants are extremely marginal. The total budget for the Department of Education (out of which Pell grants and other aid is paid) is $70 billion (out of a $3T budget). Current outstanding student debt is over a trillion. The total capitalization of the college system is in the tens of trillions. Every other country in the world subsidizes its students and system to a far more substantial extent than the US. Pell and other federal grants are not significant factors in the education crisis.

The role of minorities (meaning blacks) in watering down requirements is overblown, for the simple reason that there just aren't that many of them - they are still a single-digit minority. While it is true that the American educational system needs more non-negotiable entry/exit/aptitude exams, and objective standards in general need to play more of a role in the system, the reality is, "hiring tests" were always the exception rather than the rule.

If the blacks were out of the picture, things would have played out the same way. The reality is, most white students don't want severe standards either. And the banks that sell student loans certainly don't - that would reduce the size of their market and thus their profitability.

Back in the 50s and 60s, state governments were committed to providing college education to any qualified persons, at public expense. And if you doubt the scope of that commitment, visit any college campus and see the massive ferrocrete buildings constructed during that period and still in use, still the biggest buildings in sight.

What changed was that taxpayers simply became less willing to fully fund education, so private capital moved in. Most of the money flowing into the educational system is from loans, not federal government grants. Those loans are underwritten by private banks; the Department of Education merely serves as a clearinghouse.

When private capital moved into the world of education, it became all about getting a return on the investment. Difficult majors are necessarily exclusive and have high fail rates, so from the perspective of private capital, soft majors are a better sell - they can be sold to more people and are more likely to see completion.

Meanwhile, as the Third World industrialized and Europe recovered from the war, the US economy became based less on production and more on service and finance. Soft majors became even more attractive. Fewer checks on the power of capital meant that managers and finance people were hideously overpaid compared to scientists and technicians - so why take much more difficult scientific training when you can make more as a finance guy?

For most middle-class American families, their big asset is their house, and it is through mortgages they have paid for their children's education. The value of homes has been deliberately inflated by banks, as part of their push to have the tax base for state and local governments shifted onto the backs of ordinary Americans via land taxes and away from business interests (i.e., capital gains, income and corporate taxes), to make possible loans that are beyond the capacity of ordinary Americans to really afford, and by relentless speculation on mortgage derivatives. As the American economy has hollowed out, more and more of its capitalization is nothing more than the dollar price of housing.

The education bubble is ultimately driven by the unsustainable strength of the American dollar and the ballooning trade deficit. Those factors have allowed unreality to pervade the American economy and with it the education market. The other major factor is the refusal of American taxpayers to fully fund education, instead allowing private capital to run amok in the system.

What has to happen is, the higher educational system needs to be brought under the control of municipal governments, administrators need to be selected directly from rank-and-file professors, and the system as a whole needs to be fully funded by taxpayers so as not to be perverted by private capital.


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 Post subject: Re: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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I must have made it sound like I blame "the minorities" for the part about business using college degrees as an indicator of employability, but it's not "their" fault the system is the way it is. There were a lot of other reasons a college education was/is considered a necessity if you wanted a good job/career. That one was just the most interesting to me, because I'm fascinated with the "law of unintended consequences."

The Pell Grant has been shrinking since at least the late 1980s. It paid the cost of obtaining a two-year degree and 77 percent of the cost at a 4-year public university in 1980, but now covers only 62 percent of the cost of a two-year degree and 36 percent towards a public four-year degree. Part of the reason for the shrinkage is that politicians haven't allowed the budget for Pell Grants to grow at a rate matching the growth of the cost of college degrees, but the larger reason the Pell Grant is less effective now than it was thirty years ago is that the cost of college in the United States rose sharply for the 2011-2012 school year, continuing a multiyear pattern in which public school increases outpaced private school hikes and both eclipsed the average rate of inflation by significant amounts, the College Board reported on Wednesday.

A lot of the growth of that cost is that colleges know that people will pay, and that they're guaranteed a steady flow of people who can access the money to do so. The colleges don't care if that money comes from Pell Grants or student loans so long as they're getting paid. The culture in higher education unfortunately also jack up the costs by funding political ideologies like feminism and attempting to legitimize them by making them subjects worthy of a (useless) degree. Let's not forget about all the money squandered on sports, either. You'd think colleges existed for the sole purpose of fielding athletic teams.

I completely agree that our jacked-up financial system deserves the bulk of the blame, but it's what it is due to government regulation. It's hard not to be a crooked fuck when you know the buddies you've been making sizable donations to for years are going to hand you a big wad of cash to cover your losses because you're magically "too big to fail" while letting some of your competitors go down the drain because they didn't grease the right palms. As easy as it is to blame bankers, we shouldn't forget all the laws and programs that pushed to make everyone a home-owner that drove the market beyond rationality in the first place...or the ones that encouraged banks to make risky loans or be subject to investigation, prosecution, civil penalties, and other fines for not "servicing minorities" (again, not "their" fault, but the fault of the do-gooders in DC who thought they were helping).

A lot of careers, even some of the better-paying ones, don't require a college degree. We'd do well as a society to move away from pressuring everyone to have a college degree and diversify into other training programs. That's not going to happen for a lot of the reasons you cite (bankers), and because there's at least one political party that, if not entirely beholden to the education 'industry,' has a giant boner for colleges because they serve as indoctrination centers for the ideas they espouse (just take a look at campus "speech codes," and again, idiot programs like "women's studies").

What do you think is going to happen when people finally start to realize that the cost of the degree has risen above the rate of return for having paid for and earned it?

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 Post subject: Re: @Fire Emblem: Awakening(@Jushiro)
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What will happen is the same thing that happened between the Classical Era and Middle Ages.

The system of feudalism arose because of weak national political authority, the poverty of the masses and the unchecked power of the armed and wealthy. Personal security for the rich and economic security for the poor were at a premium.

The medieval educational system reflected those realities. The Classical Era system, focused on the study of liberal arts and empirical science, made possible by strong national political authority, was replaced by the feudal system of fealty. The poor promised their loyalty to the rich in exchange for providing for their physical security. Feudal mercenary schools trained squires in the few skills that were important to the wealthy of medieval society - mainly fighting and the building of castles and fortifications.

The medieval system endured for about a thousand years. What finally guaranteed its demise was the Black Death. The plague killed off a third of Europe's population and threw European society into a state of flux. Because there were suddenly far fewer people and the same amount of land and material, the value of land fell and the value of labor rose. Because of the jagged path cut by the plague through society, marriage between different social classes became necessary. To maintain their hold on society as the power of labor grew, the rich had to grant concessions, selling off land, liberating serfs, and allowing the bergers to gain privileges previously reserved for the aristocracy. The Black Death and the profound changes it brought to Europe did not bring down the feudal system overnight, but it did make its gradual demise a historical inevitability.

We have the same situation today as existed during the Crisis of the Third Century. Increasingly weak and ineffective national political authority. The rich grow richer and more powerful, and everyone else gets poorer and weaker. Injustice fuels chaos and lack of security. The rich create loyal forces to defend their interests the only way they can, through appeals to greed, militarism, and religious determinism.

So I think what we will see is a sort of modern corporate feudalism. Paramilitary academies run by the corporations for their own purposes, offering barebones technical education, with a heavy emphasis on proprietary systems and security measures, in exchange for some form of indentured servitude. In the long term, this will of course lead our society into further economic and moral decline, because that narrowness is self-defeating and serves only to protect the rich and forestall imagination and change.

The only way to turn this train around is to strengthen national political authority and reign in the wealthy. The problem is, American civilization is in a state of a profound moral, cultural, social and economic decline - a well-defined and pervasive downward spiral that many civilizations have encountered before, but very few manage to turn around.

Actually, the only civilizations that are known to have turned around such a decline are the French (gradual decline of the monarchy, reign of Napoleon and the development of the Republican way of life), the Germans (humiliation and defeat during the Napoleonic Wars, chaos and bedlam during the World Wars, developing a new national identity and hegemonizing Europe), and the Byzantines (rising out of the depravity of the old Roman Empire, taking Greek, Roman, Persian and Jewish wisdom and fusing them into a new way of life that combined the strengths of all and the weaknesses of none).

What all three civilizations managed to do was to develop a new national identity, a new way of life, a basis for political authority and moral clarity. Many civilizations (e.g., the Spanish, the Soviets, the Chinese, the Romans, the Mexicans, the Macedonians, the Greeks, the Mongols, the Poles, the Hungarians) failed to do the same, and after their time in the sun, went into terminal decline and wound up as loser countries. It is not easy, and it requires a mindset that Americans just don't have. Americans do not accept the idea that moral factors are more significant than material factors, or that social values are arbitrary and negotiable.

I call it the "mousetrap mentality". Americans solve every problem by building better mousetraps. It never occurs to them to ask why they are catching the mouse or that maybe the problem is not the mousetrap itself but the wisdom guiding its use. It is because of that "mousetrap mentality" that the US blames disgruntled individuals or groups rather than question the prevailing wisdom, and is obsessed with economic growth rather than considering the moral purposes that growth serves.

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As easy as it is to blame bankers, we shouldn't forget all the laws and programs that pushed to make everyone a home-owner that drove the market beyond rationality in the first place...


This is more "blame the blacks" propaganda.

Owning a home has been considered an important life goal in American culture since the days of the Homestead Acts. A home is and has always been a solid investment, for the simple reason that a house is hard capital and rent is dollars pissed away.

The problem was not people buying homes, the problem was that the price was jacked up by banks for the reasons I described, to inflate the value of the dollar and engage in loan sharking. When all this went sour, banks blamed the government and insinuated it was because of laws designed to benefit black people by banning discrimination in housing.

The proof that black people and the laws to benefit them are not to blame is the same as with education. The blacks who benefitted from those laws are a single-digit percentage. Most people who lost their homes were white, and banks took outrageous risks not because the government made them do it but because they preferred to exploit common Americans rather than take the risk of investing in real business ventures. Banks did the same thing in the SnL crisis and in the agricultural/industrial bubble of the Roaring Twenties.

Further proof is that this country is fuckin huge. Why are homes so expensive in the first place? Why is rent so high yet no one seems interested in building more residential high-rises? Because the banks are cool with the status quo, and that's not because of regulation, it's because they're sitting on assets, and that is so because there is no regulation to change things up.

Every time the banks have been given free reign, they've created huge crises. Every time the government has tightened its grip on them, things have gone better, from reserve laws to banning private currency to the FDIC to laws against excessive fees (e.g., the ban on charging to cash paychecks, ban on charging for withdrawls).

The problem is too little government authority, not too much. Simple as that.

Mind you, I am not accusing you of being a racist. I am saying you are buying into a disingenuous argument.


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