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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:10 am  
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I am shopping for a new T.V. 50"+ flat screen of some kind.

Pros and Cons please.

I hear LED 240HZ is the way to go? C/D?

How does it compare to an LCD?

Hear that Plasma's burn up quickly, and burn images into the screen quickly as well due to the heat they put off. True?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:54 pm  
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LED TVs are actually LCD, but they use LEDs for the backlight instead of a fluorescent light like a normal LCD has. LED backlit TVs should last much longer, and should have slightly better contrast and more vibrant color.

At this point plasma is old tech, dunno if any recent advances have been made, but they're generally lower resolution than simarly sized LCDs, get fairly warm during operation, and are probably more expensive.


For reference, LCD=Liquid Crystal Display, LED=Light Emitting Diode. Eventualy, and hopefully, OLEDs will take ov, but for now a nrmal LED TV just means it's using LEDs to light up the LCD.


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As Crebane alluded to, the energy use and high operating temperature of plasmas creates safety, reliability and economy issues - I'd never get one.

Are you really that set on a 50"? I've been going to thrift stores again lately and it amazes me how many relatively large flat tubes wash up for like $10. I can't imagine anyone could want or need more. How much are big flat screens going for and is it really so worthwhile? How much are you intending to spend?


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From what I understand, Plasma is the best right now in terms of contrast ratio (apparently LED is similar though), price, viewing angle then pretty much equal in all other aspects except it consumes more power. Non-LED back-light TV's are old tech that will be replaces by LED back-light ones, but you'll pay a premium for it.

There's also other factors, like LED tv's are usually thinner and lighter than plasma. Burn in on plasma, etc...

I don't know how big the power consumption consumption difference is, if after a couple years the price difference between plasma and led would be marginalized by power bills or not. My parents have a Pioneer plasma, it definitely does get hot but so does any other TV/monitor I've had so I can't give any sort of useful comparison. The picture is one of the best I've seen and viewing angle on it is awesome compared to the shitty DLP tv they had before. I've never sat down and watched tv on an LED tv though last I checked they were pretty pricey compared to everything else, that was last winter though.
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The prices are all pretty comparable to each other with the LED taking the lead expense wise. But from what I've been told the bang is worth the buck.

Aestu I am not completely set on a 50" although it's more to help fit the gigantic wall it will be mounted on, a little tv just wouldn't loom right.


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started this topic in /2 today. and its been going strong for about 40 minutes now....lulz


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http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/ ... 60608.html

I actually looked up that screen the DK was riding on about as I logged off.

"Power-on wattage: 134.97 Watt"
"Editors' note: The rating on this review has been lowered because of changes in the competitive marketplace."
" stars
"TV Panel Failure in 14-month of minimal use." on October 4, 2010 by joan_levy
1.0 stars
"LCD PANEL FAILED AFTER 18 months" "

Cool story


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:07 am  
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Aestu wrote:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-bravia-kdl-52xbr6/4505-6482_7-33060608.html

I actually looked up that screen the DK was riding on about as I logged off.

"Power-on wattage: 134.97 Watt"
"Editors' note: The rating on this review has been lowered because of changes in the competitive marketplace."
" stars
"TV Panel Failure in 14-month of minimal use." on October 4, 2010 by joan_levy
1.0 stars
"LCD PANEL FAILED AFTER 18 months" "

Cool story



lulz it was an amazing topic. has been over 50 minutes and still going on. and that trent guy is still an angry elf


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:52 pm  
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I was faced with this decision last year and I ultimately went with a Plasma over an LCD or LED. We were drawn to the higher contrast and also the refresh rates; we use our 50" mainly for gaming and sports... and a higher refresh rate is better to prevent ghosting. The downside is that Plasma TVs do get warm, they use a lot of power they get burn in if you have a static image on screen for too long and they will also lose their quality over a period since the gasses will leak over time.

The heat isn't too much of an issue unless you're touching the TV. Our Panasonic Viera TC-P50G10 ($1299 in Novermber 2009 at BestBuy) is warm to the touch but it doesn't increase the temperature in the room. It's actually as warm as the back of a CRT. I've seen some cheaper brands get extremely warm... like my sister-in-laws Vizio. That thing pumps out heat. I've read a lot of the newer plasmas are working to reduce the heat output from the TVs so that's working in favor for you.

The power consumption wasn't a concern of mine and I didn't see any abnormal jump in our electric bills since we got the TV. They do use more power though, so I'd double-check your circuit and make sure you don't have a bajillion things plugged into a 15A.

Plasmas are prone to image retention, or burn in, but the newer sets have protections in place to guard against it or fix the problem if it happens. My Viera will shift pixels from the left or right at some intervals just to ensure the pixels aren't stuck in the same place for too long. It helps, but isn't the end-all to the problem. When I was playing Fallout 3 I had some IR from the HUD. To fix this, I went into the menu and turned on a feature that wipes a black screen with a bright white bar. After a dozen passes the HUD was gone from my screen. I can't complain, especially since I've only used that once.

The leaking gas isn't a concern since I've read it takes a long time for it to happen, but all that happens is the gasses inside the TV will leak our or burn up, causing lesser contrast. (When I say it takes a long time for this to happen, I'm talking about 10 years for the halflife... at least that's the number that gets thrown around a lot.)

LCDs and LED LCDs have their problems, too. They often have slower refresh rates, lower contrast ratios, smaller viewing angles and a couple problems that can't be fixed, like dead/frozen pixels. They're perfect if you don't plan on watching a lot of sports, action movies or playing a lot of games.

If Plasma isn't your thing then the LED LCD TV is the top choice between the two remaining contenders. The LED TV is going to be more expensive, but as was stated, you'll get a better image since the TV is backlit evenly. The downside is the technology is new and LEDs will fail at some point. (Hell, so will the backlights for the LCD.) The big unknown (for me last year) was about the LED fail rate is and how much did it cost to replace an LED with it being a really new technology.

Some things -
1 - Get an extended warranty with any purchase.
2 - Make sure you can secure your wall mount into at least two studs.
3 - If you're getting an HD TV make sure you go all the way and upgrade your service provider to get HD service. Watching standard definition on an HD TV is terrible and you'd really be missing out.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:04 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
I was faced with this decision last year and I ultimately went with a Plasma over an LCD or LED. We were drawn to the higher contrast and also the refresh rates; we use our 50" mainly for gaming and sports... and a higher refresh rate is better to prevent ghosting. The downside is that Plasma TVs do get warm, they use a lot of power they get burn in if you have a static image on screen for too long and they will also lose their quality over a period since the gasses will leak over time.

The heat isn't too much of an issue unless you're touching the TV. Our Panasonic Viera TC-P50G10 ($1299 in Novermber 2009 at BestBuy) is warm to the touch but it doesn't increase the temperature in the room. It's actually as warm as the back of a CRT. I've seen some cheaper brands get extremely warm... like my sister-in-laws Vizio. That thing pumps out heat. I've read a lot of the newer plasmas are working to reduce the heat output from the TVs so that's working in favor for you.

The power consumption wasn't a concern of mine and I didn't see any abnormal jump in our electric bills since we got the TV. They do use more power though, so I'd double-check your circuit and make sure you don't have a bajillion things plugged into a 15A.

Plasmas are prone to image retention, or burn in, but the newer sets have protections in place to guard against it or fix the problem if it happens. My Viera will shift pixels from the left or right at some intervals just to ensure the pixels aren't stuck in the same place for too long. It helps, but isn't the end-all to the problem. When I was playing Fallout 3 I had some IR from the HUD. To fix this, I went into the menu and turned on a feature that wipes a black screen with a bright white bar. After a dozen passes the HUD was gone from my screen. I can't complain, especially since I've only used that once.

The leaking gas isn't a concern since I've read it takes a long time for it to happen, but all that happens is the gasses inside the TV will leak our or burn up, causing lesser contrast. (When I say it takes a long time for this to happen, I'm talking about 10 years for the halflife... at least that's the number that gets thrown around a lot.)

LCDs and LED LCDs have their problems, too. They often have slower refresh rates, lower contrast ratios, smaller viewing angles and a couple problems that can't be fixed, like dead/frozen pixels. They're perfect if you don't plan on watching a lot of sports, action movies or playing a lot of games.

If Plasma isn't your thing then the LED LCD TV is the top choice between the two remaining contenders. The LED TV is going to be more expensive, but as was stated, you'll get a better image since the TV is backlit evenly. The downside is the technology is new and LEDs will fail at some point. (Hell, so will the backlights for the LCD.) The big unknown (for me last year) was about the LED fail rate is and how much did it cost to replace an LED with it being a really new technology.

Some things -
1 - Get an extended warranty with any purchase.
2 - Make sure you can secure your wall mount into at least two studs.
3 - If you're getting an HD TV make sure you go all the way and upgrade your service provider to get HD service. Watching standard definition on an HD TV is terrible and you'd really be missing out.


Same thing I went through. I decided on a 50" plasma.
The one I bought was the Samsung PN50B850 (super thin like LEDs) and it rocks.

Plasmas have the best refresh rates, and resolutions/colors are the best only ones that beat them are the $3500+ LED Backlits

Plasma's are a lot cheaper the bigger size you go up than say LCD/LED and produce better picture quality then majority of them all and Blu-Rays are a lot smoother than the handy-cam style of the 240hz LED/LCDs that make the movie images look fake to me anyways.

And if your thinking of buying a 3D HDTV the Panasonic Plasma's blow away all the LCD/LED ones because of the speed. You can easily see that by just going into a store and comparing the 3D of the LEDs to Plasmas.

Image Retention is more of an issue in the first month of use of the plasmas, but gets better and pretty much not noticeable anymore after that. You don't want to max out the settings on the TV right away like Dynamic mode which looks bad imo anyway and not natural. And if you play games for long periods of times, just use the built in pixel wipe that removes IR in a few minutes. I use mine for gaming all the time and even as my PC monitor and play for hours.

Plasmas do take up more power though, and do get pretty hot.

I say just go to a store that has good lighting and ask to see the remote so you can adjust the color settings yourself and compare TVs and pic the best for you.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:41 am  
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For me it was all about price, and how much you can get for your budget.

Console games only shoot 60hz so the 120hz doesn't give you an advantage in games, because it's only adding duplicate frames in this case, it does look good on dvd and blu-ray though because the data is there.

1080p is a must, that's the whole point of a HDTV is the quality of the picture.

It's basically three things- Size, Refresh Rate, and Resolution.

I ended up with a 46" / 1080p / 60hz / LCD for $500

No point in arguing over Plasma vs LCD, cause everyone prefers there own shit. You just have to stand in front of both at a store and see what looks better to YOU.

Screen sticking is kinda a non issue nowadays, besides the built in TV stuff, most consoles and players will just go dim if you're on pause too long, or just sitting on a menu in a game for a period of time.

Just... don't get a glossy SCREEN, the glare will kill you. Border is okay.


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