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I read the officious "why we did it" from NPR, and they basically tried to say that Juan Williams was a journalist (he's not, he's a pundit/commentator, even on NPR), and shouldn't have an opinion, despite being a pundit on NPR for years.

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Jubber

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I'm sick of people getting fired because other people took offense to their remarks.

I mean i get why they did it, stations have an agenda and he went against it.

Imus got a new job, this guy will too. plus he's black so he has that going for him.

Cynical statement inc: most employment (even good jobs, I don't mean grunt work) is at-will, which means you can be fired at any time for any reason or no reason at all. Unless you're an independent contractor, it's unlikely that your work contract is anything other than inferred (i.e. not a physical document), and in most of those cases there's still clauses written in so that the employer can give you the boot, provided he follows his own regulations.

That said, most companies/types of industries police themselves pretty well and have some standards in place to protect employees, despite their ability to otherwise be the big guy on top. It's just that technically, if your boss doesn't like what you're saying, he can fire you.

Though what he said was kind of silly, tbh. When you're associated with NPR, that makes you a big liability.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

It is amusing. Firing a liberal commentator because he is starting to lean to the right, all while pretending to be a neutral news source is funny to me. NPR is a liberal organization and was ticked that "their commentator" appeared on Fox.

It is sad for Juan Williams, but it doesn't really surprise me. I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't have said anything if he was spewing a liberal POV instead.

Callysta of Reverence

He's right about politcal correctness.

It was about a standard of ethics, not a political leaning. Regardless, NPR had made it pretty clear what they thought of FOX, which really isn't any different from what anyone with a working brain thinks of FOX. He chose to ignore the writing on the wall.

And since when is making candid bigoted comments "leaning to the right?" Or are you saying it's impossible to be inherently mistrustful of muslims without being conservative? Seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot there.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Did you actually read the full text or are you basing your opinion on something you've heard? When you look at his comments, he is speaking honestly about the fears that many Americans have but are afraid to say for fear of being labeled a "bigot." He didn't say he hates Muslims, thinks they are all evil, or anything like that. He spoke about his fear and then later went on to state that people shouldn't blame all Muslims for the behavior of a few extremists.

He was being honest, which is hard to find in the political arena these days, because as you can see, it is potential social suicide. Luckily those "people without working brains" at Fox are less interested in political correctness.

CAIR seems to think that this "unpredictable black liberal" is a closet conservative, in spite of evidence to the contrary. I feel bad for the guy. He and I rarely see eye to eye, but he was one of the only NPR commentators that didn't always tow the party line.

It is sad that we can't have an honest conversation these days without worrying about offending someone. And before you get high and mighty on me, let me refer you to the thread "@Women" in the other forum. >^.^<

Callysta of Reverence

I feel that its been made extremely clear over the past year that you're not allowed to be a republican if you aren't paranoid of brown people.

EDIT:

How is being worried that every jackass in a turban or a burqa is gonna blow you up not bigoted?

What if I thought that every Native American was gonna scalp me or that every black person was gonna rob me? Its mind-boggling how people can warp logic to prove to themselves that they aren't racists (and by the way, many Americans ARE racist, so the line about "many americans are just as islamophobic as he is" doesn't earn pity points).

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Callysta of Reverence

I was trying to be tactful. It's funny to me that after pretending to believe in equality, conservatives immediately think of moronic statements (honestly held or not) like this one as "hey, that's something I'd say! It's that damn liberal political-correctness keeping me from saying it!"

We're the ones who are concerned with being politically correct when they're the ones sitting on "family values." Right. I'm more concerned with not being a retard on public television.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

being legitimately concerned about terrorists and telling people about it in 2010 = bigot?

wow

I need to go back to school and relearn Amerikan history and politiks, 'cause i thought you guys were meant to be more pro freedom of speech than we are. You have it written into your konstitution for fuck's sake.

edit: added more k's to accurately reflect state of amerika

Translation: You do not agree with me, and since you do not, you must somehow be irredeemably evil. I choose to believe your particular brand of evil is racism, and brand you as such.

I feel that its been made extremely clear over the past few decades that you're not allowed to be a republican if you're black because only an Uncle Tom would do that. <--------------------Don't talk to me about republican/conservative/libertarian racism until the guys on your side of the aisle stop pulling that bullshit.



"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating." -- Jesse Jackson's remarks at a meeting of Operation PUSH in Chicago (27 November 1993). Quoted in "Crime: New Frontier - Jesse Jackson Calls It Top Civil-Rights Issue" by Mary A. Johnson, 29 November 1993, Chicago Sun-Times (ellipsis in original). Partially quoted in US News & World Report (10 March 1996)

Some things that are related to race have nothing to do with racism. If Asians committed the bulk of violent crime in this country, people would be duly concerned about ninja attacks while walking home from work at night. At present, the people blowing shit up in the name of their God are mainly Arab Muslims (crackpot Christian extremists generally shoot their victims and avoid the collateral damage--every group has their nut-jobs), so it's not unreasonable for people, even Arab Muslims, to be a little concerned about being blown the fuck up, because honestly, being blown the fuck up is not currently on my 'to do' list.

On a more important note, I'm tired of this "phobe" bullshit. I'm not necessarily afraid of some group of people just because I'm aware of a pattern (namely religious nuts of a particular variety blowing shit up) and think there's a reason to be concerned about it. Give it another ten years of losing the language, and the dumb asses in our society will start thinking phobe is Greek for "hate" instead of "fear" at this rate.

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Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

You know the real problem with all this? The immediate response is not about right or wrong, but about liberal or conservative. Thanks guys, you're what's shitting up America.

Dvergar /
Quisling

Oh, fuck off already. The man has been on Fox News for over a decade and he's there to give his opinion - he's done it countless times before. For NPR to can him over having an opinion is stupid, to say the least, regardless of what that opinion is or where it's stated. This is a case of NPR trying to be sympathetic towards Muslims because one of their guys did the unthinkable - spoke ill of Muslims.

...and Mayo is being a cunt again. Surprise.


So to be a progressive liberal you need to suck the dick of a brown person?


"Generalizations and stereotypes are bad because I'm a progressive free-thinker, void of any preconceived opinions on anyone based on race, age, color, religion, etc... but all Republicans are racists, bigots and xenophobes."

Get the fuck out.

I think it's more irresponsible to automatically assume that someone isn't going to do something fitting a stereotype just because stereotypes are politically incorrect.


Political correctness is a set of blinders just as debilitating as unthinking hatred.

I don't hate muslims. I hate the ones who blow people up and i hate the ones who threaten to blow people up in the cause of Allah.

I don't hate black people. I hate criminals and "people hate me cuz i'm black" racists.