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I want this board's opinion on something that's been bugging me for a few days.

About a week ago, as I was walking out of my philosophy class, a girl across the hall dropped her books. While this occasionally ends with a pickup line from my end, the response I got wasn't even a thank you. Instead, she (with a noticeable southern twang) and I had the following discourse:


And then we parted ways. I really didn't have anything to say after her last line, and I prefer to avoid awkward situations like that. Given that I don't even know her name, I could really care less.

But the thing that got me thinking was that many, if not most, religious Americans really believe that in order to be a good person you have to believe the same (for lack of a better word) bullshit that they do. When I'm online, of course, I have no problem launching myself into a debate with them, although it tends to become more of a textual beat down than anything else. In person, though, I try to avoid it as much as possible. Not out of fear or anything like that, but I just hate arguing with people in Florida. Especially chongas and cholos.

Anyway, I'm just perplexed that people can believe in one uniting factor being the only factor in the equation of general human decency. Apparently, this girl's prior teachings held that unless someone believed in their god, they were evil and should be ostracized for their nonbelief. Or at least that's what I assume.

So, people of FUBU, what are your views on how religious influences have supposedly affected morality --- to be specific, since the second millennium BCE --- or vice versa? It's something that I've already decided on, but I'd like to read up on some opposing viewpoints if any are available.

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False interpretation. They'll scream like their victims as they realize that they practiced iniquity with fervor.



Your assumption of her reply is incorrect. Agnostic would be the questioners, Athiesm is outright denial. Her reply was quite possibly the most christlike in response to your choice. She didn't say anything about you being "evil", just that she hopes that your teeth will be intact and that you won't destroy your vocal chords wailing.

She said nothing else beyond actually caring for not just what happens to you now, but later, as well.


also, isn't this like the 8th thread about this?

I'm an atheist, not an agnostic. That, however, has nothing to do with what I was saying.

Anyway, what she said was with contempt. She had a southern twang. Imagine that southern twang coupled with an undertone of malevolence and a hint of blackness (although she was white).

people without religion are often without morals.


people with religion are also often without morals.

People without religion are typically much more level-headed, though. Those who discover the vast world outside of religion for themselves tend to be more socially adjusted and self-actualized. I mean, yeah, there are a lot of atheists/agnostics who commit crimes, but I'm sure that the atheist criminals:atheists ratio is smaller than the religious criminals:religious people ratio regardless of what religion it may be.

Plus, I don't remember hearing of any atheists committing crimes because "God doesn't exist and therefore can't will it!"

nice not-google.


I'm sure there aren't any religious people who go on a murder rampage because God told them NOT to do it, whats your point?

I'm not sure if the "not-google" comment is sarcastic or not, but I can assure you that I didn't need to Google anything in order to make a rather broad statement.

Regardless, the point of this thread was to encourage debate on whether or not religion truly dictates modern morality or vice versa. It's not about who commits crimes, as that's just a facet of the debate as a whole.

However, in reference to your post, I'll gladly point out that there have been no crimes against another group that have been perpetuated out of atheist nationalism or anything similar. The reason for the Crusades and a rallying call for its knights was that "God wills it!" But I don't recall hearing of a crime committed by an atheist who saw it as his divine (or un-divine, as you might put it) responsibility.

the soviet state wanted to eliminate religion entirely, as i recall.

but yeah, thanks to LAW we have a pretty good "don't fuck with people" system of consequences, but none of that goes as far as saying "hey hold the door for the old bitch with crutches."

its taught from parents, and lets face it, parents have been sucking it up.

The Soviet state wanted to eliminate religion for purely political purposes, though. Pre-glasnost, the Soviet Union was adamant on keeping the people in line with little sense of individuality.

The first law was Hammurabi's Code, which wasn't based on religion. In fact, the Ten Commandments of the Judeo-Christian faith were most likely based on it rather than the other way around.

And as far as the old bitch with crutches goes, it's all a matter of mood and personal ethics. If the nicest Christian in the world was walking into a bank with the aforementioned old bitch behind him/her, they COULD hold the door. But depending on their general mood and personal code of honor, they might not.

i find myself holding doors for people when i'm in a horrible mood, tbh.

Those young heathen boys will burn in hell for tempting those fine priests!

You don't need imaginary friends to be a decent human being.

But if it helps, then keep 'em. Just don't expect me to hear the same voices.

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religion never has and never will=absolute morality

sure it has moral teachings and helps reinforce morals, but it is not their source. much of it is people in civilized cultures saying "this is bad, we shouldnt do this" and then the religions that followed reinforced this view. Back way back when people needed a reason not do some things because thewy were uneducated and selfish people (moreso than by todays standards) and so "god said so" was a good enough reason.

Religion is a great way to teach morals to people, but it is not the end all be all, and no one religion is 100% moral because religion has a hard time evolving.

As for people looking down on you for not being religious, fuck them, their ignorant bigoted fucks who think they know everything. I'm the same view when i see athiests who go around all snarky and go "LOL GOD DOESNT EXIST UR DUM BIBLE DUM POPE DUM" its the same attitude, just different beleifs. anyone like that deserves a nice good bible thrown at their head just so that it hits the part of their brain affecting personality traits.

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First Written law code that we have found evidence for.

There are still several thousands undeciphered indus valley texts that predate babylon.

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