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 Post subject: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:04 pm  
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I acquired a really nice tap pedal for $2 today. This pedal uses a miniplug interface.

I currently use the Creative Voice Chat Pedal to activate my vent bind. However, it has two flaws - first, holding it down counts as the Alt key (and the software refuses to let me change this) and second, the pedal is small, only about three inches long, and the action is very poor.

I want to take this new tap pedal I have acquired, get it to interface with my PC, and bind a key to it, so I can use it to activate my vent bind.

How do I do this?
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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:53 pm  
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There's adapters for hooking a guitar to the computer. Ergo, that pedal to the computer as well. Unless you have something different.

I don't know how vent would recognize it though, but I'd guess as a device.


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:34 pm  
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Vent might not need to recognize it if I could bind a key to it via some other program. Either that or vent should recognize it as just another input device, same as if I was binding via a joystick or whatever.

What sort of interface adaptor would I need to use? Do you have any leads, Weena?


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:44 pm  
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http://www.google.com/search?q=Guitar+t ... =firefox-a

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en ... 34&bih=686

I'm pretty sure there's pedals designed for computer interface that would be easier and probably cheaper.

Stumbled on this, figured it might be something you'd be interested in.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Add-foo ... our-compu/


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:57 pm  
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Any info on the specs of the pedal?

Assuming it has a standard amp jack, there are definitely adapters to USB, but the one I have for my guitar reads the input as a mic (and speaker). Not sure if you could make it work as a peripheral instead, but you might be able to.

Anyways, this is what I have...

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCG102.aspx


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:59 pm  
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Define "miniplug". I'm venturing you refer to the size of a headphone jack, not a midi plug?

They make devices to convert large switches (hooked via "miniplug") to USB format for people with impairments, but that maps keyboard commands to specific jacks on the device. I have one laying around, it's a donjohnston.com piece of equipment.

What you're looking to do, however, is find a way to bind input to a "Direct Input" method for ventrilo. Usually gaming adapters (controllers, joysticks, etc) would be more appropriate, but you still need to convert it over to a format the system will accept. Ventrilo supports non-keyboard binds, handled through Direct Input from any DirectX compatible device.

Unfortunately, your purchase of the tap chat was, well, retarded:

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Please be informed that Creative do not officially claim to support 3rd party game and communication software. The WoW Tap Chat is designed for World of Warcraft game. However, for communication software such as Ventrilo, it can still be used as a mute/un-mute foot switch as long as the Tap Chat is configured for that purpose using the Audio Control Panel.


Unless you can bind it as an input that isn't a "keyboard replacement", you should really just look into usb human interface devices that support that, instead of reinventing the wheel.


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:16 pm  
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Image of the pedal

It has no markings, suggesting it was originally an integrated part of a larger system.

Yes, Synth, I mean a headphone-type jack. The blurb about the Creative Labs device is laughable since it comes with (badly written) software designed to do just that. Seems like a way of disclaiming responsibility for the device to do exactly what it was designed to do...or just a case of right hand not knowing what left is doing.

If I used such an adapter, could I register the pedal as a DirectX input device?

EDIT: Is this the device you're referring to, Synth? If it will do the job - what could I offer you for it?


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:32 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
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It has no markings, suggesting it was originally an integrated part of a larger system.

Yes, Synth, I mean a headphone-type jack. The blurb about the Creative Labs device is laughable since it comes with (badly written) software designed to do just that. Seems like a way of disclaiming responsibility for the device to do exactly what it was designed to do...or just a case of right hand not knowing what left is doing.

If I used such an adapter, could I register the pedal as a DirectX input device?


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This FootSwitch behaves just like a joystick button 1. The status of this buttons can be read with DirectX or other joystick API functions.


http://www.delcomproducts.com/productdetails.asp?PartNumber=803651-491S

depends on what the adapter is mapped to via hardware, or what the driver supports mapping the device input to.

As far as your analysis of Creative disavowing support, yes, it's relatively true, but at the same time, I don't see anything that maps that "Tap" device to anything but a keyboard shortcut, which means the device is just a programmable keyboard, cloning a key and placing it at your foot.


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:33 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
EDIT: Is this the device you're referring to, Synth? If it will do the job - what could I offer you for it?


I have a 5.0 model. I'll ship it out next week.

edit: mind you, there's no guarantee of it working for what you want it to do, and you will need either an 1/8th" jack or adapter. it does not function like the thing i linked above.


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:14 pm  
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I assume you do not need my address, no?

You are correct that the Creative device merely clones a selected key.


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:28 pm  
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i don't have your address.


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:26 pm  
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PM'd. An adaptor of that sort is easy to come by. When you say it doesn't work that way, what do you mean? I plug this thing in and it shows up as an input device, right? Or am I mistaken?


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:21 pm  
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If you look at what you linked, it has the keystrokes each of the 5 headphone jacks will map to.

v5.0 has slightly different keystrokes.

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This is a device used to enable severely handicapped children to use a computer for learning. The functionality is mapped to common keybinds used in such programs, programs written for macs. You can't remap the inputs to be something like "joystick button 1", it has only keyboard and mouse commands, no additional peripheral mappings.


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:10 am  
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Alright, I see - but if this works, vent will recognize the associated device and let me bind PTT to it, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Music Equipment Experts - Help!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:50 am  
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Just wiring it to the computer isn't going to bring functionality.

It's an analog device, for audio equipment.

Joysticks and other devices, like Naga Mouse, are just remapped buttons of existing keys. I don't see a way to achieve this through an analog source. If memory servers me there is a limit on the number of different keys Windows understands. Same reason why you have a limit on action bars in WoW. You can't just make keys, without supporting software/driver, that ends up remapping another key anyway, bringing you back to square one.

Your best bet is to either buy a USB foot switch, find another bind via investing in a gaming keyboard or keypad, and finally sucking it up and using sensitivity talk.


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