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 Post subject: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:00 pm  
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Saw someone on my facebook with this quote and this picture:

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Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things...every one! So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal,' as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.


Then I saw this on Reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/commen ... a_liberal/

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A lot of times "liberal" and "conservative" are words that are thrown around with a lot of negativity attached to them. I don't really like labels. I think they are part of the problem we have with partisan politics in this country. Some of these quotes did raise interesting points though.

Personally, however, I like this quote:

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A liberal is a person who believes that water can be made to run uphill. A conservative is someone who believes everybody should pay for his water. I'm somewhere in between: I believe water should be free, but that water flows downhill.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:33 pm  
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I think liberals mean well, but can sometimes be overzealous. Same with conservatives. It's about trying to maintain a balance between tradition and progression.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:09 pm  
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I find the word "Biased" in that picture to be rather hypocritical. don't you think?


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:21 pm  
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I don't think the dictionary definitions equate perfectly to the political connotations anymore, though it's still probably a poor decision to label yourself a "conservative" if you know how words work. It's just too late to change it.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:56 pm  
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This thread is going to go from 0 to derp in under 2 pages.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:00 pm  
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And if you want to see the real political divisions at work in America today, both of those words are useless and are only used as a diversion. The real lines are corporatist vs. non-corporatist.

And by non-corporatist, I don't mean a bunch of hippies. I mean people who are opposed to a plutocracy of the ultra-wealthy basically owning our political system.

Liberal and conservative... that's pretty much used to divide the common folk and have them quibble amongst themselves so they don't turn on the people who are pretty much robbing them blind.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:22 pm  
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dek wrote:
The real lines are corporatist vs. non-corporatist.

So the people that agree with Sanders, Kucinich, and Ron Paul are split from the rest of the country?


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:04 pm  
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It doesn't matter which side you are on, 99% of the time you look at the other guy and think they're an evil, stupid fuck, because you can't conceive of any way they could come to the conclusions they've come to unless they're really stupid or just plain out to fuckerize everything.

I have that same knee-jerk reaction, but when I stop and think about it, it's not that (most) of the people who take an opposing view are evil and/or stupid, it's that they're proposing solutions to the same problems I'd want to solve. What bothers me is when either side keeps pushing that same dumb solution when it's obvious that it's not working after an extended period of time.

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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:27 pm  
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All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:43 am  
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suck.

bush/obama = norm, they keep 2% of their promises, and do the opposite of what they say often. So- vote in primaries, research and watch debates, stop being sheep.

that is all.


edit: think for yourself, drink your school


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:49 am  
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I'm Canadian and what is this?

http://thenonconformer.files.wordpress. ... nada-1.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:47 am  
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So youre saying that once canada gets some conservatives it will be relevant?


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:51 am  
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Usdk wrote:
So youre saying that once canada gets some conservatives it will be relevant?


There is 143 seats in our house of commons belonging to the conservative party currently... :s


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:52 am  
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So now you're just saying that Canada will never be relevant?

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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:52 am  
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That pic seems pretty accurate to me, at least in almost all of my experiences in my ~23 years.

Just saying.


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