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I was wondering, when you divide people up into groups, and put certain groups above/below others in certain ways, what happens when you have a clash involving two groups being shown a particular degree of deference via our climate of political correctness?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/04/24/2011-04-24_chrissy_lee_polis_transgender_woman_attacked_at_baltimore_mcdonalds_calls_assaul.html

When I first heard about this story, it was about two black chicks beating the shit out of a white girl in a McDonald's in Baltimore (and if you have any familiarity at all with Baltimore, this would not make you so much as blink). In that context, it's obviously a story about race. Then when I actually looked this up, I find what I linked above. That's a story about two reprehensibly terrible human beings beating the dog shit out of somebody for what basically amounts to no good reason.

A few politically-incorrect questions:

Would anyone be referring to this as "hate-crime" (thought crime, more like it) if the two black girls had beaten this individual and they weren't trans-gendered, but only white?

If the two black girls had instead been white, would the reporter have referred to them as "teenagers?" One of them was 18, which, even in the People's Republic of Maryland, is the age of consent (otherwise known as adulthood). Is this an attempt to excuse this behavior as some folly of youth even while writing an article deriding said behavior? Yes, I realize you're still technically a teenager at 18...but would that description have been applied if the attacker in question was white?

Why were people just standing around filming this (and laughing) instead of breaking it up...or at least calling the police?

Maybe you think these are ignorant/dumb/unsophisticated questions, but they're absolutely necessary so long as our society is caught in the gutter of political correctness. No one knows the rules about what is appropriate for who or how guilty they should be because everything is based on some murky slide-rule math about who is more 'oppressed' than who. It should just be wrong for anyone to do that to anyone else just because it's wrong. It shouldn't somehow become magically "more wrong" or "less wrong" based on some asinine categorization(s) of the victim(s) and attacker(s).

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I watched this video last Friday and it made me ill to my stomach.


If it were a crime where two black girls kicked the shit out of the white girl because the white girl took the last 20pc Chicken Nugget box then I don't think it would constitute as a hate crime. If the girls kicked the shit out of her because she is trans gender or white, then it should be called a hate crime, although I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. I do believe if the assailants were white and the victim were black then It would've been called an mega-hate crime complete with condemnation from the NAACP, Rev. Sharpton and Rev. Jackson, the fanfare of beer summits from the President, protests from the left and riots in the streets of Baltimore. (It's been made clear that some people (person) on this board doesn't think it's possible to be white and a victim of racism... since "reverse racism" is horseshit and all...)


Hard to say. The eldest is technically a 'teen' because 'eightteen', but she is also being tried as an adult and is being held with $150,000 bail. I'm not convinced the reporter had some agenda when using the terms he did.


If I had been there I know I would've stepped in and tried to break the fight up. If one of those hoodrats got aggressive with me then I'd knock her ass out - plan and simple. The guys that work at McDonalds aren't always afforded that luxury. Sure, you know there's a couple men there and they could probably over-power the two attackers but in most cases the policy of those places is to not get involved. Morally, as a man, you'd think they would have the balls to do what was right and step in to save the woman... but then again, I'm not going to be the one to pay their bills when they're fired from McDonalds for not abiding by company policy (assuming they have one similar to the places I've worked in the past.) Still, someone called the cops because it was said in the video that the cops were on the way.

The dude who filmed the fight I have mixed feelings about. On one hand I'm happy they have such a clear tape of the attack... that's going to be hard to argue against in court... but I don't like how he acted behind the camera. There was no compassion. He seemed so excited when the woman was seizing on the ground... least he could've done is try to hold her head so she didn't do any more damage while she flailed around.

Also, the tape caught someone telling the girls to leave before the cops get there. I think that was a wrong move and I wonder if that guy can be charged with some type of crime since he was telling the assailants to flee the scene of a crime.

First of all, this is the first time I saw this video...and it was so fucked up. At the end, the stupid moron with the camera notices that the girl is having a fucking seizure and just yells to his sistas "yo you need to get outta here. She's havin a seizure man. The cops are coming." Fucking people make me sick.



Because she is white, there is doubt as to whether or not it is a hate crime. If she were black and the girls doing the beating were white, there would be no doubt. Like Eternal said the Rev Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be all over TV talking about it, there would be numerous shows about it.

However, I think they may yet make it a hate crime...considering I guess the issue was that they thought the woman was a man and so she shouldn't be using the ladies restroom....

Here's a lovely message the asshole who recorded the video posted when he uploaded it to youtube:



http://www.washingtonblade.com/2011/04/ ... ans-woman/



Technically they are "teenagers." I don't think there would have been a difference in how their age was referred to depending on their race.



Isn't that a social psychology thing? Like when all these people hear a rape in an apartment complex and no one steps in to help? It's called something I'm sure - I just can't think of what it is.

Regardless, it makes me sick...if I had been there I would have definitely tried everything in my power. If those bitches tried to fuck with me.....mmm. The sickest part is the people actually laughing. And the damn asshole telling the girls to leave that the cops are coming while she's having a seizure.....so sick.



Yep, that was the video camera asshole douche scum of the earth. Grrrrr...so mad right now.

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I honestly don't care enough to watch the video or understand exactly what happened because it's obvious all participants are degenerate trash.
I am firmly of the view that anyone who would have themselves mutilated to change their gender is a degenerate. As are ghetto trash that have these farcical bitch fights that are a shill for their inability to develop some self-respect.

I don't see how these girls would know this person was transgendered unless that person took it upon themselves to volunteer that information. It looks like an attention-seeking sexual pervert ran into a bunch of other degenerates who were pugnacious, ornery and willing to give the tranny the trouble it was looking for.

This episode is just human garbage on human garbage action. You can't apply normal rules of human morality and responsibility to people with this level of functioning, and it's not relevant to society as a whole - those of us who aren't functioning at the level of farmyard chickens.

Even more contemptible than these degenerate types are advocacy groups. Advocacy people are by and large self-righteous, overpaid douchebags who have no real empathy or compassion for the injustices in our society, and instead they live comfortable lifestyles funded by the status quo and self-aggrandize by advocating for the most insipid, PC, morally worthless cases, veiling the worthlessness of what they do under a pretense of "principle" when the reality is they're just too greedy and cowardly to challenge the status quo and make a real difference.

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If they aren't saying shit like "we're going to get you, cracka!" or throwing around other slurs for white people, there's no way that it would hold up in court. Given the details I have on this, I don't even think that the hate crime charge currently will be around for much longer, considering that the fight was started about "her man" as opposed to some sort of jab about the person (his/her?) sexual orientation.


Making mountains out of molehills. If there were a group of people and a couple of them were eighteen, would you call them "teenagers" or "3 adults and however many minors"?

I find it amazing how fast the white, christian majority (if they're even a majority anymore, idk) are so willing to split hairs just to get in the persecution pity party. With shit like this, the idea some republicans were throwing around that white males were being profiled against (a lot of this came up during the supreme court hearings for the appointment of Sotomayor, if any of you remember) in our society, and that ridiculous "War on Christmas", its really something to watch.


Yeah, its a psychology thing. There's a case study everyone learns about where some woman was raped in the alleyway between a couple apartment buildings (I think it was Chicago or New York, idk), got stabbed, and eventually died. When the cops showed up, there were something like 50+ people that heard her wailing and screaming for hours, but only one person called the cops and by then, it was too late.

I don't know what the psychology term for it is called, I'll ask my friend who's still a psych major to see if I can jog his memory.

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Who needs the psychological term... just call it 'Cowardice'

PS: What is a persecution pity party? Why are whites/Christians trying to get in on it... is that saying whites/Christians aren't ever under attack by other non-white or non-Christian groups?

Some people are born with the wrong sexual organs. There's nothing wrong with them wanting gender reassignment, except the hate small-minded people like you place upon them.




It's called the bystander effect. The case study people learn about is probably the Kitty Genovese murder, which is pretty much what you described. Most of the story is untrue though (link). The witnesses saw an initial attack, someone yelled at the attacker who temporarily ran off, and the victim got up and went toward the building entrance. The actual stabbing and rape happened in a stairwell out of view of the witnesses.

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The psych term is the bystander or Genovese effect (named after the woman Mayo describes Kitty Genovese). Recent research into Kitty Genovese has led to some theories that the incident was over hyped (shocking!) but further experiments/research has been done on bystanders.

more amazed that nobody did anything then the actual attack. if it was a couple of dudes who look like Bubba, could understand why you might be afraid to get involved. but really?

I must say Aestu, considering you are a gay male, I'm quite surprised you would be so rigidly against someone who is transgender. There is a difference between "sex" and "gender". There are people born with male parts ("sex") who identify as female psychologically ("gender"), and vice versa. How can you call these people "degenerates"?

It's ironic too, because many people would call someone who is attracted to a member of the same sex a "degenerate" -- what would you say to these people? Sometimes your hypocrisies are truly astounding.


Regardless of how anyone feels about it - no person deserves to be beaten into a seizure for such a thing. No one.

I believe in most cases to constitute a hate crime there needs to be evidence that race (or whatever is at issue) was a factor in the beating.

Like if they made comments like 'FUCK U WITE GURL' before and during the beating, that would imply a hate crime.

If her race was never brought up, I don't think it would. If it was a group of 10 black people beating up one or two white people, I think an argument could be made here as well.

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crime is crime. regardless of label; this one was a pretty bad one, I hope they get put away for awhile.

Saying doesn't make it so.

Gender is chromosomal. That is how science defines gender.

Anything past that is an unscientific superstition - no different than Scientologists running around offering treatments for Engrams.

There are some individuals who are literally born with the wrong organs (they have the chromosomes of a certain gender, but grow the organs of another due to a serious hormonal imbalance) but this is very rare and most trannies aren't being treated for such actual medical conditions.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.