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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:54 am  
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This is from The Wall Street Journals 'Best of the Web' section, which after the commentary is pretty amusing. Thought some of you might like this one.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... el_opinion

By JAMES TARANTO

Did we ever call it. Two years ago, we wrote of birther demands for President Obama's archival birth certificate: "The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not 'resolve the issue' to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today's birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday's is as well."


As if on cue, WorldNutDaily.com, describing itself with no evident embarrassment as "the only news agency that has waged a relentless investigative campaign on questions swirling around the Obama's [sic] eligibility for nearly three years," quotes its own editor, Joseph Farah: "It is important to remember there are still dozens of other questions concerning this question of eligibility that need to be resolved to assure what has become a very skeptical public concerning Barack Obama's parentage, his adoption, his citizenship status throughout his life and why he continues to cultivate a culture of secrecy around his life."

TalkingPointsMemo.com quotes dentist-cum-birther barrister Orly Taitz, who "thinks that the birth certificate should peg Obama's race using different language:

"In those years . . . when they wrote race, they were writing 'Negro' not 'African,' " Taitz says. "In those days nobody wrote African as a race, it just wasn't one of the options. It sounds like it would be written today, in the age of political correctness, and not in 1961 when they wrote white or Asian or 'Negro.' "
Actually--and TPM misses this point--the certificate does not peg the infant Obama's race at all. It lists his father's race as "African," which makes a certain amount of sense, seeing as how he was from Africa.

Carol Taber at TheAmericanThinker.com, whose theories occasioned some mirth last week, writes (italics hers): "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Obama wasn't hiding anything that is on the present long form birth certificate. The evidence indicates that what he is hiding is that his long form birth certificate may not be genuine."

That "evidence" is laughably thin. Obama's birth certificate carries the serial number 10641. A pair of twin girls born the next day had certificates 10638 and 10637. This is not "incriminating," as Taber asserts it is, unless she is correct in speculating that birth-certificate serial numbers correspond exactly to the order in which children are born. If one makes that leap of faith, who exactly is supposed to be incriminated? Obama was four days old when his birth was certified. Even if he is as brilliant as his most fatuous admirers claim, it is not possible that he was precocious enough to pull off such a caper at that age.

Taber also identifies a martyr to birtherism:

Mr. Obama sent Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, a decorated combat-experienced Army flight surgeon, to jail because Obama refused to release his birth certificate. That document couldn't have been produced 6 months ago to prevent Lt. Col. Lakin's being manacled and shipped to Fort Leavenworth prison to rot in a cell? What possible explanation and what sort of character does Obama have, especially as Commander-in-Chief, for sending a soldier to jail, ruining his career, over the very same document the soldier had to produce for his military deployment orders?
What actually happened, as a sympathetic columnist explains in the Greeley (Colo.) Gazette, is that Lakin started raising questions with his superiors about Obama's eligibility to be president. When he wasn't satisfied with the answers, he disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan. Obama didn't send him to prison, a jury in a court-martial did.

The suggestion that Obama is to blame for Lakin's crime is reminiscent of the hard-left group Code Pink's assertion, back in November 2009, that America should withdraw from Afghanistan and "even US military officers think so." One of the officers Code Pink cited to support that appeal to authority: "The Ft. Hood shooter was a Major who did not wish to be deployed to Afghanistan."

Whatever one's opinion of the current commander in chief, aren't conservatives supposed to believe in personal responsibility and military discipline?

Those on the other side of the political fence, meanwhile, have been busy living up to our prediction in Tuesday's column: "One other thing we expect is to start hearing about race again--not from the president himself so much as from his supporters, especially in the media. Here again, the message will be a negative one: not 'Wouldn't it be cool to have a black president?' but, 'If you vote to fire the first black president, you're racist.' "

As if on cue, the New York Times editorializes that "it was particularly galling to us" that the release of the old birth certificate "was in answer to a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones":

The birther question was never really about citizenship; it was simply a proxy for those who never accepted the president's legitimacy, for a toxic mix of reasons involving ideology, deep political anger and, most insidious of all, race. . . .
It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious "other" would have been conducted against a white president.
It's possible that some birthers have racial motives. But not only is it conceivable for such a campaign to be waged against a white president with a similar fact pattern, it has happened. As the Associated Press reported in 2009, Chester Arthur, the 21st white president, was rumored to have been born in Canada. Arthur's father, like Obama's, was an alien at the time of the future president's birth, although the elder Arthur did naturalize, in 1843.

The Washington Post reports that professional attention grabber Donald Trump responded to the White House release yesterday by raising "new questions":

"The word is, according to what I've read, is that he was a terrible student when he went [to] Occidental. He then gets to Columbia. He then gets to Harvard," Trump said. "I heard at Columbia he wasn't a very good student. He then gets to Harvard. How do you get into Harvard if you're not a good student?"
Obama, a former constitutional law professor and the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, is widely recognized as an intellectual heavyweight.
As an aside, that last sentence epitomizes what drives conservatives crazy--sometimes, alas, actually crazy--about the formerly mainstream media. Obama "is widely recognized as an intellectual heavyweight"? If they said this about Woodrow Wilson or Daniel Patrick Moynihan, we'd probably agree, but even then, it's more a statement of opinion than fact.

At any rate, according to Obama supporters, Trump's rhetorical question was racist. "That's just code for saying he got into law school because he's black," CBS's Bob Schieffer said. "This is an ugly strain of racism that's running through this whole thing."

Politico quotes another Obama pal likewise:

"Trump and the rest have played a very divisive card from the fact of his birth to now implying that he got into two Ivy League schools . . . by affirmative action, which clearly brings race into the matter," said the Rev. Al Sharpton. "It certainly enrages a lot of African-American voters, Latino voters and progressive whites that feel that this is the most divisive, polarizing tactic."
As Mickey Kaus notes, "Obama himself, while at Harvard, wrote that he had 'undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action.' " And you'd think that people who support both Obama and racial preferences would proudly cite the former as evidence of the latter's success, rather than getting defensive and angry whenever anyone even indirectly broaches the topic.

But it's the last sentence of the Sharpton quote that gives away the game. All this race talk is aimed at angering blacks and shaming whites into voting for Obama next year, whatever doubts they may have about his policies or his leadership. The birthers and the Obama supporters have this in common: Both seem to be terrified right now that their side will lose next year's election.

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not trying to be a dick or anything, will read later but I think Obama used the best word for all these shenanigans: silliness.


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Did they blast the NYT for saying that this is racially motivated then about 2 sentences later, then come to their own conclusion that race may have had a part of it?


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I think the gist was that some claims were that the new thing about Obama being a shitty student (if that's true...which I kind of don't believe) was veiled racism because it implied President Obama wouldn't be where he was at without Affirmative Action, and that Taranto thought that was stupid because if anything, those claiming racism should embrace that view so they could hold President Obama up as an example of what Affirmative Action has done for the country, instead of using as another opportunity to pull a Black Godwin.

I don't think Taranto was copping to the idea that this is all a racist conspiracy, but he does concede that some of the birthers could be racially motivated (because that's not just possible, it's plausible...but it still doesn't justify smearing all the crazies in the birther movement with a brush full of that exact shade of nutty) while pointing out that this isn't the first time the birth-status of a President/Presidential Candidate has been called into question, and the last time it happened, the guy was white.

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Honestly, I think any person elected to Congress, High Court or Executive Branch should give full disclosure of their records; birth, medical, school, financial, etc. They're public officials working for us and we should be given the chance to fully vet them.
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McCain went through some nonsense with his birth certificate, too, if I recall. He was born outside the U. S. while his father was serving in the Navy. I'm pretty sure any questions about his status went quiet after he presented whatever documents he had. Taranto sums up the movement succinctly: It's not so much that these people seriously think he's not a U. S. citizen as that they just refuse to accept he won and they're willing to sell their souls to Bob Barker for anything that can make it go away. I seem to remember four years of a previous administration where the crazies over on the other side of the aisle went through similar contortions.

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Jubbergun wrote:
McCain went through some nonsense with his birth certificate, too, if I recall. He was born outside the U. S. while his father was serving in the Navy. I'm pretty sure any questions about his status went quiet after he presented whatever documents he had.

Yeah, and now they're just changing their story since Obama gave them exactly what they want. The short-term certificate is what the government requires for you to prove your citizenship, but it wasn't enough. I don't think any president has had to go through loops like this before, and I don't think that its a coincidence that every one of them was white. If you can give me some other legitimate reason why a decent chunk of the country (I think it was 25% last time I checked) think that Obama is some sort of Kenyan operative even though they've been repeatedly given information that proves otherwise, I'm all for it.

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I seem to remember four years of a previous administration where the crazies over on the other side of the aisle went through similar contortions.

I can understand if you're talking about 04-08, but the whole "Bush stole the election" thing during 00-04 was a lot more plausible than Obama was born as a foreign infiltrator and was smuggled and faked into the US for the sole reason of becoming president.


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Mns wrote:
I don't think any president has had to go through loops like this before, and I don't think that its a coincidence that every one of them was white. If you can give me some other legitimate reason why a decent chunk of the country (I think it was 25% last time I checked) think that Obama is some sort of Kenyan operative even though they've been repeatedly given information that proves otherwise, I'm all for it.

From the above article you probably didn't read... wrote:
It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious "other" would have been conducted against a white president.
It's possible that some birthers have racial motives. But not only is it conceivable for such a campaign to be waged against a white president with a similar fact pattern, it has happened. As the Associated Press reported in 2009, Chester Arthur, the 21st white president, was rumored to have been born in Canada. Arthur's father, like Obama's, was an alien at the time of the future president's birth, although the elder Arthur did naturalize, in 1843.
I'll let you do the digging as to whether that's true or not.

Oh, PS: Not all Birthers doubted the president because of the color of his skin. Would you fucking stop with the calling-everyone-a-racist-that-doesn't-agree-with-me bullshit already?
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Would you fucking stop with the calling-everyone-a-racist-that-doesn't-agree-with-me bullshit already?


We just call it like it is, bro.


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Eturnalshift wrote:
Would you fucking stop with the calling-everyone-a-racist-that-doesn't-agree-with-me bullshit already?

I'll stop if people stop giving me reasons to believe they think the president is illegitimate and/or is wrong because he's darker than them.

Its sort of like that Tea Party person in Orange County (iirc) that sent out that e-mail that said "This is why Obama doesn't show his certificate" and shows him photoshopped into a family of chimpanzees. Rightfully so, a lot of people in her tea party group came out and demanded she resigned, but when she was called racist, she went off her rocker, even bringing up the point of "I'm not racist, I have black friends!".


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Guess what: The action of a part isn't good enough reason to demonize the whole. If that was true, would you accept the fact that Barack Obama hates all Jews and that he thinks God should Damn America because he attended Rev. Wrights church? Of course you wouldn't, although the association between the two is there, the thoughts and opinions of Rev. Wright aren't those of Obama or anyone else in Wrights congregation; Things Wright says aren't FACT about Obama. Likewise, the few racist elements in all political parties (on both sides of the aisle) can't be used to say all members of that political party are racist.
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If you can give me some other legitimate reason why a decent chunk of the country (I think it was 25% last time I checked) think that Obama is some sort of Kenyan operative even though they've been repeatedly given information that proves otherwise, I'm all for it.


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So, you accusing 25% of the people polled in whatever poll you haven't cited as racist is legitimate when there is very little hard evidence (other than your opinion of those who don't agree with the President or the Liberal agenda) that that suggests those people are racists? I'll be honest, I don't have any legitimate evidence to tell you otherwise because I'm not a Birther nor do I know any birthers... and since we're being honest, you don't have any evidence to substantiate your claim, either.
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I wasn't racist when I disagreed with Bill Clinton.


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