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Associated Story:

http://www.thelantern.com/campus/woodfe ... -1.2227892


Abbreviated version (although you should read the story). Huge block party on Ohio State's campus. The cops knew about it and were monitoring it. Then they said that a bunch of people were standing in the street, so they decided to disperse the crowd with mace. Then things got a little more hectic, a couple kids got the shit beat out of them (you can see the extent of their injuries in pictures in the article). Some cops say they were injured, hit with beer cans, etc. Many students maintain that it was a peaceful, albeit jovial, party until the cops showed up and started macing everyone thereby causing the riot to break out.

So, is it the cops fault here in escalating a situation?

Students fault for being dumb?

Stupid college kids. I'm thinking, from a safety standpoint, that you can't have a party in the middle of the road (for obvious reasons, like slowing the the through passage of emergency vehicles) and I'm also sure you can't throw shit at police vehicles. How the kids got jacked up that bad is beyond me... the article says they assaulted the police officers so I'm guessing they got fucked up because of that.

PS: Police using pepper spray isn't 'escalating the situation' when stuff is thrown at the vehicle.

There's a party.
Cops come in and turn what was a rowdy but peaceful assembly into a fight.

Granted, there should be party facilities so these kids don't mass in public. Doesn't justify cops being punks.

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From what I understand, this wasn't just 'cops come and bust up a few parties'. The cops were called (by someone at one of the parties) to remove some people from one of the parties, when they tried to the crowd was too big. The students didn't know what was really going on, just saw cops thinking they were breaking up the parties. Some of the drunker students threw bottles, injuring some of the police and not allowing them to respond to the call. At that point it wasn't just "there's a lot of kids partying" it's "we can't do our job and there may be a very serious incident we can't respond to".

The beatings and chasing kids down alleyways with pepper spray, absolutely uncalled for. Getting teargassed because you're standing in the street the cops are trying to clear and you won't leave? That's your own fault retard.

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I doubt that the cops walked up for no reason and started macing, just like I doubt that no one threw beer cans at the cops when they thought they could get away with it.

I'm sure innocents got hurt in this. if it's a block party, the roads are supposed to be blocked, so thats immaterial.

You're arguing two contrary positions. Were the cops trying to break up the party, or were they trying to resolve a small quarrel? If the latter necessitates the former then the cops need to learn how to do their jobs.

If it was as you seem to imply and the presence of the cops trying to resolve a narrow issue started a riot, then the solution would be for the cops to not instigate that riot by using a chainsaw where a scalpel would suffice. Two or three cops could resolve the kind of problem you're describing without inflaming an entire street full of people.

People have a right to free assembly. The cops don't have the right to disperse a crowd because they feel like it whether they think they do or not.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

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People have the right to assemble, but they don't have a right to deliberately stop or slow the movement of an emergency vehicle nor do they have the right to assault the officers without consequence. Also, according to Columbus Ohio's website on Block Party Permits (which do permit the closure of the street), they say, "A block party does not allow you to have alcohol in the street. You must maintain enough space to allow emergency vehicles to serve the properties within the closure. You cannot deny access to property owners within the closed area, but when getting signatures you may ask for property owners cooperation to avoid unneccessary trips."


Since when did you become someone who is in position to tell the cops how to do their job!? If what has been said about the cops going to break up a fight is true, then they can't break up the fight without getting through the crowd... which requires the crowd to disperse. Pretty fucking simple to understand... unless you're you.

You Googled some random stuff that isn't relevant. There's no evidence that they were, in fact, blocking the necessary passage of an emergency vehicle. If a house was on fire or someone needed a medvac and people were mobbing a fire truck or an ambulance that would be one thing, but there is no evidence that was the case.

Incitement to riot is a crime whether the instigator is in uniform or not.



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Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I'm not sure my googles are irrelevant. The law says the students needed to yield the right-of-way to the emergency vehicle. The law doesn't say that this only applies if there is a house on fire or not, but that this applies to any emergency vehicle with their lights on. We don't know if the block party was permitted or not; either way, they can't block the road in such a manner. Regardless of the circumstance or urgency of the emergency vehicle, does that still give the students the right to throw bottles and beers at the emergency vehicle?

While we're a democratic nation we're also a republic and we're (at all levels) to abide by the laws of the land.

And the law of the land says people have the right to freely assemble.

We have no evidence there was an emergency vehicle. If there was no "emergency" that necessitated the passage of this putative "vehicle" of which there was no mention in the article then this would be a case of (almost literally) screaming "fire" in a crowded theater and instigating a riot.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

so you agree that the cops were called there to disperse a fight, but that the partiers didn't have to let them through? being an emergency team, i imagine thats the important part, not whether or not they were in a vehicle.

That is where good judgement and good-faith intentions come into play.

So the goal is to break up a small fight. Okay, three cops get out of the vehicle and WALK half a block to get to the scene.

If the goal was to break up a fight, then their "training" and judgement ought to lead them to do whatever would yield the best outcome towards that end - which probably wasn't starting a riot.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

A bunch of drunken college kids who think they know better than the cops probably went the extra mile to help them do what needed done.

The objective of any kind of training, or tactical decision-making, is to get the best result.

Obviously if the cops intervened to resolve a small issue and wound up creating a much worse situation then the cops did NOT "know better".

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

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