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Back story...in the NBA, a few weeks ago, Kobe Bryant got fined $100,000 for calling a ref a "Fucking fag" from the bench after he was issued a 2nd technical foul that he didn't agree with. The TV cameras caught him saying it very clearly...and GLAAD threw a fit. Kobe had to apologize and was fined by NBA as a result.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/n ... id=6344596

Last night, Joakim Noah (a player on the Chicago Bulls), was sitting on the bench and a fan sitting a few rows behind him was taunting/verbally abusing him. Noah got pissed and turned to the fan and shouted a slur at him (something along the lines of "Fuck you faggot." or something) which the cameras caught him saying. Noah has since apologized, and has had a meeting with the NBA brass. He's going to get fined for it for sure.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/23/joakim-no ... iami-heat/


I then read this article where Noah's teammates defend him in a way...saying how fan verbal abuse can be too excessive at times and they aren't held accountable (the fan may have been dropping some racial slurs against Noah, or talking about his sister/mother/whatever or something)

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/n ... id=6580552

My questions:

1. Is the NBA/GLAAD/everyone being far too politically correct here? It's basketball, it's a tough game...there's going to be emotion, trash talk, cursing...should NBA players be fined like crazy when the camera just happens to catch them saying it? If you know men, you know that this word can be thrown around a lot in competition, and elsewhere (I lived in a fraternity in college...a common greeting when someone entered a room would be "what's up fags?". Consider FUBU forum mod titles etc. etc.)

2. What about fan culpability in the 2nd incident. Fans say some pretty outrageous things. This is obviously a fan who is rich enough to get seats just behind the visiting team bench, does that entitle him to just say whatever he wants to a player? If the player responds back with "Shut the fuck up" or whatever...and it happens to get caught on Camera, they are then fined?

3. Where do we draw the line? At the end of the day, these NBA players are humans...humans have emotions...should they be expected to never curse, never get angry, never respond back when they are being taunted or get a bad call in a close game?

LOL

Change "Black guy calling someone a fag" to "White guy calling someone a nigger."


And then...?

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. Bad sportsmanship is bad sportsmanship.

The NBA did the right thing and should do so more often and more severely.

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Good point in Kobe's case, since it was directed at a ref. What about against the fan who was berating the player? The fan is clearly displaying bad sportsmanship yet is unaccountable...the player reacts with emotion. Fair?



Yeah you've obviously never played basketball.

consider it with this slant:

one's paying for entertainment, the other's being paid to entertain.


also:


and people wonder why people loathe frat kids.

Although I agree some of this is just "hur dur we want to present ourselves in a professional manner so look at this placebo we took" is a bit overboard.

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I guess I should also say that "fag" was thrown around freely when I attended an all boys high school.

I guess that's the issue here - is that people get desensitized to it. I have a question thought Tehra, how did you feel about the original mod titles of "Ultra Faggot" etc?

they were imposed titles upon those who chose to don them.

they were words that carried a bit of weight to them, and the usual events ensued. that won't change. you can try to blend in hateful words into colloquial speech, but it will always find a mark in the crowd.

why do it if you know better, unless you need to be shown better?

Yeah it's fair. An overly disruptive fan should be removed, but heckling is normal in every sport.

The player is a representative of the team and the league and must maintain his composure.


Also, basketball's a tough game when compared to say, competitive gardening, but not when compared to other sports.

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Tougher than Baseball, Curling, Cricket, Tennis, Volleyball, Badminton, Ping Pong, and Squash.

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compared to shittier sports, basketball is, in fact, a sport.


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