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You're starting to get it, I'd put money on at least some of those batshits not even believing in what they're saying.

Thus is a charlatan.

Do I personally think that the concept of a personal god is ridiculous? Yes. Does that mean that I think that anyone who holds such faith is ridiculous? Considering that the majority of humans who ever lived, including some of the brightest minds held that faith, I can't reasonably judge something that seems so human.

The notion that's being spread around that an atheist can't possibly have any moral values is purely ridiculous (and I've seen it uttered on prime time TV with references to Hitler and Stalin, the former being ironic) and the only possible explanation for it is that people who make that claim are trying to paint us as sub-human and evil, fuel for hatred. It's a big lie.

If you want to be good, then be good for the sake of being good. Not in fear of eternal punishment or as an incentive for eternal life. A human doesn't need to be bribed or threatened to figure out that stealing, lying, cheating and bringing harm upon another human is wrong.

"Atheists don't care about life, because once they die, then it's game over, there's nothing"

Ding ding ding, life means everything to us, and not just our own, but the continued survival of our fragile specie.

So to you all christians are batshits? Or does that cover any religious, just wanna make sure lol

The majority of christians overlook that very basic idea because there are hundreds of different offshoots of christianity, and they all teach it differently.

again, its not because of hte religion, but because of the people in power who were all I'mma start mah own cherch!

At least get the context right.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.

How does this "context" change the meaning of the quote at all? Jesus is clearly saying "believe in my God or go to hell", and that's a consistent message throughout the New Testament.

So yes, atheists, when you die, nothing happens. A whole lot of nothing is all that remains.

You're imposing your interpretation of what Hell is and what condemnation is, which is spoon fed by people bent on power.

You make a choice, it's up to you. It's as simple as that. Those who can't understand that each person has a choice to make and that each person has a path to take in their own lives (that may or may not lead to understanding) tend to thump the bible to fit their needs of grooming their fellow man.

Of course, that fits both sides of the argument quite well.

You know how in various creation stories, it discusses that this isn't the first time the world was created and destroyed? Or if that's not your cup of tea, the matrix discusses how the world was designed multiple times. Being "condemned" involves being reduced to your energetic state without retaining your ego so you can be recycled. Of course, it's not "you" anymore when there's no ego attached.

So yes, atheists, when you die, nothing happens. A whole lot of nothing is all that remains.

Have you read Revelation? It's pretty clear on what "condemnation" is, and it isn't a very pleasant experience. I was wrong to use the term Hell, but the Bible is pretty unambiguous on what happens to those who don't believe in God.

Wailing and gnashing of teeth, lake of fire, etc. Righteous fire doesn't burn, it cleanses ("by fire be purged" ring a bell?). You can't have eternal life if it's no longer you.

Thats what john allegedly said, its not attributed to jesus.

also, the whole "believe in me or go to hell" thing completely negates the whole "free will" thing, which to me is the most important part of christianity.

Revelation 9:3-6
" 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them."

5 months of torture doesn't sound cleansing to me, but I guess it's there's room for interpretation here.

Given that Revelation also contains descriptions of the zodiac as it moves across the earth, there's a lot of room for interpretation in Revelation. Besides, a seal is a seal of approval. If you don't have a seal, be glad it's only 5 months instead of an eternity, even if you're conscious for it.



(pssst, the seal isn't limited to "christians")