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The Conservative Party of Canada is only conservative relative to the rest of the parties in the country. If they were in the US, most of the party would probably be considered moderate Democrats.

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I think that's true of most First World countries these days, though. No one does conservative the way Republicans do it here. Then again no one really does conservative the way our Democrats do, either.

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sounds like you need to get out more.

The original post is pretty biased and divisive. I think Jubber said it best. We all want what is best for our country, we just disagree as to what is the best route to take.

Example: DADT. Some people believe gays should be afforded the right to serve openly and without hiding who they are. Others honestly and genuinely believe if this is the case it will prove dangerous to our national security. They are opposed, not because they hate the silly fgts, but because they think it's a danger to national security. I'm sure some people oppose it because of stupid shit like they're scared of having their junk oogled in the shower, but regardless, what these folks ultimately are concerned for and have in mind is national security and America's well being.

Not to derail this thread into a homosex debate..just making a point that everyone has their own reasons for holding their views. We shouldn't view each other as enemies, but as potential solvers of the problems the world faces. Embrace new ideas, regardless of what side proposes them. Ideas and civil discourse are the backbone of social progress.

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Good call...

Wat.

Dvergar /
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I actually get out a lot and consider myself a well-informed person, at least compared to the majority of the country. That being said, I also qualified my statement.

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My opinion and my experiences are my own, and very different from yours. We could break it down to the basics if you'd like, however. Let me know.

I sincerely believe that neither party wishes for the downfall of our country or it's people. But with regards to the issues I care about deeply/have a strong opinion about, the democrats are infinitely more aligned with me.

I also have many super-republican friends. Idk if it's their superior personalities or education or both or something else, but I have many an insightful debate with them; as opposed to the silly pot-shots that take place with the conservatives of this board.

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"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head," is quote often incorrectly attributed to Winston Churchill. The phrase actually originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." (Remember that terms like "liberal" "conservative" "republican" aren't always used in the same manner/context to which we're accustomed.) It was revived by French Premier Georges Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." (...want of head...there's a fellatio joke in there somewhere) I don't think the phrase is meant to imply that you're stupid when you're young, it only means that because you haven't been fully immersed in the world and had the benefit of experience, and the passions of youth are easily engaged, one's judgment in youth is clouded by perspective.

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Just a couple months ago, you didn't know much about either political party... but you have 23 years of experience to tell you Republicans are evil? How is that well-informed? I get the impression you're no different than a majority of the country - playdohy as hell.

It may take more than half a year for you to learn something, but it doesn't for me. I felt like a blind zealot liberal until I looked more into it and realized that while liberals may have their faults and some opinions that I disagree with, the majority of them are very aligned with what I believe. And I have heard of Jubber's quote before, lending me to believe that I might be liberal at this point in time because I may not fully understand many of the inner-workings of politics just yet. I'm actively working on it.

Here are two such issues that I care about and are recent enough to still be relevant:

Dems:
-Health care for everybody (read: even for those who cannot afford it)
-No discrimination for gays in the military (read: people dying for their country)

Repubs:
-Health care for those who can afford it (read: fuck you, got mine)
-Banning gays from serving openly in military because..... (read: bigotry)


To you, being open minded and receptive to opinions other than your own is "playdohy." This illustrates that you, like many republicans, are stuck in your old ways of thought. You are too damn stubborn to budge even an inch when faced with opinions that may have merit, yet are simply different from your own. Being stubborn isn't always a good thing.

In your retarded world, being open minded is a bad thing. In the real world, being open minded is considered a mature, quality trait (again, at least form my experience).

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Fant sort of has a point here. I constantly see people with college educations being demonized as the "liberal elite" and there's the whole idea of "I want my president to FEEL, not THINK", which caught Obama a lot of flak with the way he handled Libya, considering he waited for allies instead of dragging an unwilling world and an unwilling nation into an all-out war.

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I like that you tried to come off as though you're just explaining something and being neutral, but in the end label liberals as hot-headed kids who don't know any better, because clearly experience of the world means they'd be conservatives...

Dvergar /
Quisling

This is very true. There's a whole stigma about learning/higher education in general ("liberal elites"). My father (a staunch conservative) used to rage about college campuses teaching "liberal bullshit" to all their students (usually whenever one of me or my siblings would come home with a liberal viewpoint about abortion or something).

I used to be very conservative (because my parents were), and actually voted for Bush when I was 18 (I'm not proud of it, but I made the best decision according to my 18-year-old brain). However, then I went to college, experienced quite a bit...took some really eye-opening classes and became significantly more "liberal" or "left". So much so that I went from being far right to being a left-leaning moderate.

Across the board, the more education you obtain, the more "liberal" you become (obviously there are exceptions, but that's the trend...talk to most people with a PhD, and I bet they voted for Obama.)

"Anybody that makes up their mind before hearing the issue is a fucking fool."

Which is something I think many people do. A step of from that is making a decision before learning different approaches, which is where a ton of people stop.