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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:09 pm  
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Just because you (think you) have nothing to hide does not mean it is ok for someone to waltz up and check everything out whenever they feel like it. Just like I don't need TSA grabbing my balls to get on a plane.


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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:17 pm  
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And why would universities part with that information? Again, they're not allowed to anyway. So the source was probably some sort of surreptitious monitoring.

You keep bringing this back to hacking. That's not what this is about. It's a question of what information should and should not be legitimately distributed.

Again, just because criminals can steal your furniture despite your best efforts doesn't mean that the cable guy should make you sign a contract saying he has a right to walk off with your credenza if he feels like it.


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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:39 pm  
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And why would universities part with that information? Again, they're not allowed to anyway. So the source was probably some sort of surreptitious monitoring.

You keep bringing this back to hacking. That's not what this is about. It's a question of what information should and should not be legitimately distributed.

I'm guessing universities parted with that information because the RIAA is searching for people that are stealing music (much like anyone would search for anyone who is stealing anything). The colleges are likely turning over information freely (because they can do what they want with their own network logs) or they're turning over identities via court issued subpoenas.

When asked why this was a big deal, you didn't say you were concerned about your non-identifying information being distributed; you said you were worried about Spam, the RIAA, EA monitoring 'literally everything' on your computer and Identity Theft. Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of theft, but Identity Theft has nothing to do with the legitimate acquisition and use of personal information. For that reason, hacking (one of the largest means of getting lots of identity information) is pretty relevant to this conversation.

If the question is about information distribution and what is fair-game then state your opinion. EA states in their Privacy Policy...

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III. What Is Personal Information And When Does EA Collect It?
...Information collected will vary depending upon the activity and may include your name, email address, phone number, home address, birth date, mobile phone number and credit card information.

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IV. What Is Non-Personal Information and When Does EA Collect It?
Non-personal information, alone, cannot be used to identify or contact you. EA collects non-personal information about your use of our online and mobile products and services both on our website and in the course of game play and software usage (on PC, mobile and game system platforms).

We will retain your information for as long as your account is active or as needed to provide you services. If you wish to cancel your account or request that we no longer use your information contact the Privacy Policy Administrator in your country listed on our site at privacyadmin.ea.com, or if your country is not listed, by contacting the Privacy Policy Administrator in the United States. There may be instances where we are legally required to retain your information.

A. What Types of Non-Personal Information Does EA Collect?
When you use EA online and mobile products and services or you play our games on your PC or game system, we may collect certain non-personal demographic information including gender, zip code, information about your computer, hardware, software, platform, game system, media, mobile device, including device IDs, incident data, Internet Protocol (IP) address, network Media Access Control (MAC) address and connection. We also collect other non-personal information such as username, user ID or persona, feature usage, game play statistics, scores and achievements, user rankings and click paths as well as other data that you may provide in surveys, via your account preferences and online profiles such as friends lists or purchases, for instance. We may also receive either non-personal or public information from third parties in connection with market and demographic studies and/or data that we use to supplement personal information provided directly by you.

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B. Will EA Share My Information With Third Parties?
EA will never share your personal information with third parties without your consent. We may, however, share anonymous, non-personal, aggregated and/or public information with third parties. There may be circumstances where you may share information on your own.


Those are key points in the Privacy Policy; the distinction between Personal and Non-personal information, and that EA isn't going to share your personal information with third parties. That means the most that EA is sharing is non-personal information about you and your computer - neither which can be used to identify you. That tells me EA isn't going to sell your information to the RIAA because you downloaded some songs from PirateBay. If you're upset about EA sharing your IP address (which is likely logged by most websites you visit), your ZipCode (which is easily harvested from cookies on your machines), or whatever OS and configuration you're using, then just don't use the software. Remember though, this shit is done by a lot of software and websites, so it's not like Evil EA is trying to sell you guys out.

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Just because you (think you) have nothing to hide does not mean it is ok for someone to waltz up and check everything out whenever they feel like it. Just like I don't need TSA grabbing my balls to get on a plane.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't like the idea of my information being sold or accessed against my will (just like I don't like the TSA) but I'm aware that this type of stuff is already happening. Non-personal information being collected and stored is pretty common-place. I'm not convinced that this is uncommon, malicious in intent, intended to sell anyone out or that EA even cares if you prefer OpenOffice to Microsoft Office.
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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:00 pm  
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You're an idiot. By signing the mandatory Terms of Use, you're giving them consent.

"Alone". Again, PC serial / IP plus anyone with half a brain.

A = B
A = C
B = C

where

A is your IP/serial
B is whatever you have open in Firefox/Word/whatever that Origin vacuums up
C is your information on Facebook or whatever other site the purchaser of information from Origin has has access to

Grats, these people now know everything there is to know about millions of Origin users.

You're incredibly naive to think that powerful entities aren't going to abuse the fact that they will be able to know literally everything everyone is doing.

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Identity Theft has nothing to do with the legitimate acquisition and use of personal information


Duh. So why legalize the means?


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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:10 pm  
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Getting ready to go home, but you're assuming a couple things.

1) EA going to compromise their brand (and company) by fishing peoples personal data and selling it, despite selling personal data (FB Pages) being against their Privacy Policy.
2) FireFox has a method accessible by other programs to pull the contents of a page. (This I don't know for sure, but I haven't ever heard of this capability in any browser.)
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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:36 pm  
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wait, so what is origin?
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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:40 pm  
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EA's steam


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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:41 pm  
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Monotheist wrote:
wait, so what is origin?

EA is a bunch of crybabies and took most of their newer games off Steam and created their own Steam-like application.


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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:49 pm  
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Oh ok, that sounds like something EA would do. I'll stick to steam.
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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:33 am  
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http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3390849

All about the new Darkmoon Faire Island. Apparently adding a new level appropriate Gurubashi Styled Battle Arena.


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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:27 pm  
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everytime they make more announcements regarding bf3 i just lose interest. origin shit was bad enough. now theres some shit about no server browser ON THE PC VERSIONS BUT THEY'RE IN ON CONSOLES. WAT. you have to close the game out entirely and use their retarded battlelog to join a new server. if it's anything like steam i sure can't wait to join a server that says it has 30 people and ends up empty.

fucking punkbuster is their anticheat system. enjoy getting randomly kicked because you opened your browser window or some other random shit due to how bad it is.

it's like they actively don't want people to play this game and want call of rehash to keep going.
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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:49 am  
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join a server that says it has 30 people and ends up empty.


I blacklist servers when this shit happens.

If you're going to have a bullshit population on your server, atleast have bots.


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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:00 am  
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There is only one solution.

Retro-gaming until they start making games and platforms that aren't garbage.

I mean, it's not as though you played every game ever made until the companies got super-greedy, right?



I want to go back and play this game - I only got like 10 minutes in back in the day. Music beginning at at 4:16 is awesome. You don't need tech when you have creativity.


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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:29 am  
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Weena wrote:
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join a server that says it has 30 people and ends up empty.


I blacklist servers when this shit happens.

If you're going to have a bullshit population on your server, atleast have bots.


i normally don't really care, just becuase i'd gotten used to it playing CS forever. the difference is though that to swap a server in CS/TF2 takes about 5 seconds because of this wonderful feature that's existed since forever called a server browser.

hats off to EA on this one so far. i didn't think they'd take the throne of shit away from activision but they're trying.
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 Post subject: Re: Patch 4.3
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:59 am  
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EA is just ridiculous, honestly.

who specifically takes a backstep and downgrades the features in a game they've been building for years, and then releases it along the same time as another similar game that is at least staying good, if not improving?


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