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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:41 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
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What the fuck do you mean, "those people!?"

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Spoiler: Aestu isn't in Inferno.
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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:46 pm  
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Inferno Act I is not too difficult. It's later on when every little mob has the ability to one shot you does it become tedious and boring. It's boring because you're limited to what spells you can use. Certain runes become required and the entire game of Inferno becomes more linear.

Hell was the best difficulty, imo. You could try out as many specs as you'd like. Some people will say you can do that in Inferno, but not as a WD. I'd like to see somebody trailblazing Inferno with plague of toads.

@Lucinth - gj, but are you still on your DH?


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:19 pm  
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Xeoni wrote:
Inferno Act I is not too difficult. It's later on when every little mob has the ability to one shot you does it become tedious and boring. It's boring because you're limited to what spells you can use. Certain runes become required and the entire game of Inferno becomes more linear.

Hell was the best difficulty, imo. You could try out as many specs as you'd like. Some people will say you can do that in Inferno, but not as a WD. I'd like to see somebody trailblazing Inferno with plague of toads.

@Lucinth - gj, but are you still on your DH?


Yeah, A4 on DH and A3 on Monk.

I found some really good armor for my Monk. A1 is trivial now.

EDIT: And by trivial I mean I can stand in everything and auto-attack my way to victory. I killed Butcher like 5 minutes past enrage because all of my team died.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:07 pm  
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This is one of those threads where so far I agree with everything Eturnal has said.

Good job, guys.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:29 pm  
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Edit: Aren't video game companies, or any company for that matter, meant to make money? I don't see why people piss and moan about it when they try to maximize their profit. Don't like it? Don't buy the product. Not hard, guys.


Based on old-school American Protestant thinking and certain parts of Randian Objectivist philosophy, the pursuit of profit shouldn't be the primary goal. The goal should be to do something you are either obligated to do or really want to do to the best of your ability, and if you're doing it right and making adjustments after learning from your mistakes, profit is supposed to be (one of) the reward(s) that follow.

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Activision isn't the only problem here.

Blizzard owners who sold to activision are just as bad. Hey I poured my blood sweat and tears into this company for years and I love what I do....oh how many millions? Have at it dude, ride this company like a whore the day the troops come home I'm outta this bitch forever!

This is probably why people don't name companies after themselves anymore. Easier to toss a company to the Activision wolves that way.


That's another thing that made me think of Ayn Rand...in Atlas Shrugged, all the crony capitalist run companies with generic names, while the virtuous industrialist all put their name on the company they founded/run. In this case, though, it's more likely that since no one person was responsible for setting up the company and/or what the company was doing, a group name was chosen.

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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:25 pm  
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Aestu wrote:

What is this about? Tell me more.



there are a few stories of people essentially being cheated out of their money, not by players. the biggest story was one about some guy who bought something for $0.00 (obviously a bug, since it has a base listing fee) but ended up being charged something like $220. as far as i know they gave him his money back, but it was days after it exploded all over 4chan/reddit etc.

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I guess I don't see how Diablo 3's decisions are wholly based on profit.


the entire game was built around the RMAH. there are posts saying that drop rates and things are altered to encourage use of it. i don't care if poeple want to make money either, the problem is this is worse then the people who lock content on the disc the day it ships and make you pay $15 to download a 5KB key that unlocks it. you know, the people that turned DLC, something that should be really good for gaming, into a complete jewing.

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Blizzard managed to deliver a pretty decent game with Diablo 3. It looks and sounds nice, it plays smoothly (minus the infrequent network lag), and provides that dungeon-crawling experience that many of us enjoyed


it isn't as bad as my hate leads to believe, the problem is it isn't very good either, especially when the $20 alternative made by the same people who made diablo 2 is coming out and is exactly what D2 fans wanted. it looks...no. it looks average, even if it had came out 5 years ago. there is nothing wrong with this as long as the option to make it look good exists. starcraft 2 looks great on ultra, and it looks awful on minimum so it could run on bad PCs. why does D3 just look..bad?

the network lag i'm not even going to touch. i can't fathom how people defend it. b.net 2.0 is a pile of shit and is worse in almost every single way to the original bnet.
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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:56 pm  
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I really hate the AH.

Are we actually meant to expect any new content for this game? I assumed this was it. Well there's PvP but i aint touching that shit with a 10 foot pole. Oh there'll be an expansion i guess right.

Bleh.

Time to farm the AH some more.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:00 pm  
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Oh there'll be an expansion i guess right.



Yes, you need to buy the other two thirds of the game at a later date. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:08 pm  
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I'm now convinced of the giant conspiracy to get me to purchase more CEs so as to get my wow pet fix. I have zero interest in HotS but i'm gonna buy it for the pet. And then only because of said pet purchase i will install the game and play the campaign because i'd be silly not to at that point.

This company knows how to make money. I just wish they'd make games i want to actually play a lot, like they used to.

I finally beat Night Elf 7 on hard the other day too. I really like the WC3 campaigns they're a lot of fun i can go back to them any time and enjoy them.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:11 pm  
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I tried to play diablo 3, but it's not diablo 2 so I was sad.


Is it wrong to feel this way? =|


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:24 pm  
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Based on old-school American Protestant thinking and certain parts of Randian Objectivist philosophy, the pursuit of profit shouldn't be the primary goal. The goal should be to do something you are either obligated to do or really want to do to the best of your ability

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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:44 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
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Based on old-school American Protestant thinking and certain parts of Randian Objectivist philosophy, the pursuit of profit shouldn't be the primary goal. The goal should be to do something you are either obligated to do or really want to do to the best of your ability

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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:46 pm  
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Yuratuhl wrote:
This is one of those threads where so far I agree with everything Eturnal has said.

Good job, guys.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:45 am  
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Jubbergun wrote:
Based on old-school American Protestant thinking and certain parts of Randian Objectivist philosophy, the pursuit of profit shouldn't be the primary goal.


I was thinking about this a bit more.

The thing is, Randian Objectivist philosophy isn't really a philosophy, because it doesn't meet the definition as such, which is to rationally explain that which lays within its purview.
What Rand's works really are is mythology.

Societies that cannot outgrow their limitations will always turn to visions of an idealized past that never really existed. This is a constant in history. De Republica. Gone With The Wind. Jena Oder Sedan. Dracula. People turn to Rand now because she offers a similar vision of an American idealized past that never really existed.

Like all mythology, Rand's works are about human virtues as portrayed in abstract settings divorced from a specific place and time. She focuses on the most trite and idealized aspects of American enterprise such as virility, mass production, big business, and the building of transcontinental railroad. But in doing so, she cuts a jagged path around the prickly issues that a "philosophy" would have to address. Issues such as land ownership, racism, environmentalism, the nefarious effects of mass automation and "efficiency", and basic human nature. To all this, she offers no real answer other than "it will work itself out somehow".

The protagonists in the Iliad put food on the table by raiding helpless villages near their staging area. Moses commanded the Hebrews to slaughter the Canaanite men and take their women. The sole spokesperson for the disgruntled working class in the Iliad is Thersites, a shallow and unflattering character. We forgive these faults in the mythological vision because the mythology is not a philosophy, we don't seek to use those works as the lens through which we see the world - a philosophy - but vice versa. And by the same token, that Rand doesn't address the nasty points of the world she alludes to makes her work mythology, not philosophy.

The building of the transcontinental railroad is an important part of California's state history. You can go to almost any train station in the state and see huge murals of that same heroic image of engineers from both sides of the country, flanked by teams of workers, shaking hands as two trains from the two rail networks meet. But what you don't see in that picture, are the Chinese coolies who did most of the difficult and dangerous work, the backbreaking labor of dynamiting and tunneling through mountains.

When I was a child, my family liked to vacation at this retreat in Nevada City. It is situated in the Sierra Nevada, in a clearing just at the edge of the forests around Grass Valley. There's an old staging area from the building of the railroad nearby, with some ancient machines and supplies that were left behind. And atop a nearby hill made of moved earth, partially regrown over with trees, are dozens of shallow, unmarked graves where the Chinese workers who died building the railroad were buried.

The "American Protestant thinking" you allude was never really Protestant nor was it thinking. Most obviously, the Jews have been in the business of business, making something out of nothing, since before Protestantism even existed. Long enough to know what a raw deal it is, which is why they see no contradiction in making a fortune in business then funding socialist movements. The protagonist of the The Jungle is Lithuanian, and the protagonist of A Streetcar Named Desire is Polish. Both are Orthodox, even though they take contrary positions on that "American thinking". And then there's the Irish and Germans.

My point is not that the "thinking" in question was not Protestant, my point is that it never really existed. The appeal of Rand's mythology is the substitution of a fantasy for a reality, pretend that the problems we have now are new and novel and not problems that have always been festering since the Mayflower laid anchor. The blacks, the Jews, the Catholics and Orthodox, they've always been here, fighting for their slice of the pie.

What has changed, bringing our nation's problems to a head, are the very issues that Rand doesn't address. Diminishing natural resources. The inherent social and economic limits of a society built on greed. Good old-fashioned American ignorance. Without unlimited natural resources, wide-open third-world markets, and an EU wracked by war and poverty, America can't just grow, employ and spend its way out of its problems that have always existed.

Those Rand would lionize - captains of industry - were never truly awesome people bent on doing good in this world, proof being they never saw fit to work these problems out. Being good at making a million bucks means one is good at making a million bucks - not possessed of virtues suitable for the basis of a philosophy. Certainly not the wisdom to understand and fix America's problems.

The issues that Rand does address - mass conspiracy of the incompetent against the competent - is not itself the problem, it is a symptom of the deeper problems that a real philosophy would address.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard continues to get egg on their face
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:57 am  
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I guess I don't see how Diablo 3's decisions are wholly based on profit.

Forced always-online DRM and balancing the game around the RMAH are the two biggest ones. There have been blue posts admitting that they intentionally nerfed the droprate of good items so people would have to use the Auction House to get their gear. There's also them taking a cut of every cash auction and taking another hit if you want real money instead of Bobby Kotick Funbucks.

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They've given us a way to make money off our finds and they've implemented the game in such a way that makes duping and hacking much harder.

Hundreds, if not thousands, of people have had their accounts hijacked in the first couple months of diablo and it seems like its on a scale bigger than WoW ever was (either that or they're more vocal about it). The solution to this is to give Blizzard more money for an authenticator as opposed for Blizzard to put in efforts to make their game more secure on their side. On that note, the customer service in D3 is abysmal. WoW's GMs, in my experience, were nothing but helpful and many of them were actually nice people to talk to. I don't think there are any GMs in D3, because they refuse to help with 95% of the game problems (ex. restoring hardcore characters if their servers lag/crash, recovering lost items, etc.).

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Also, I kinda feel like Diablo3 has more replayability than most other $60 non-subscription based titles on the market, even if it's just a small number of people grinding the same content on a regular basis.

That's horseshit, because the $60 tier contains all of the top dollar console titans like the Call of Duty clones and Halo, which I've seen people play just like WoW for months (if not years) on end. Diablo 3 endgame currently rests on desperately hoping you get that jackpot item and getting a bump in stats so you can have your shit pushed in by astronomically scaling mobs between acts. You either have to pay money for stuff, hope for a jackpot you can sell for millions, play the AH constantly, or spend dozens of hours grinding peanuts to afford upgrades, which once you're decently geared cost tens of millions of gold per piece.


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