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They probably wonder why so many young liberals get their information from Gawker. They also, when their humans aren't looking, start posting quotes from Nietzsche, Rand, and Mao to stir the kettle and watch the humans beat on each other. It's their revenge for the laser pointer thing.

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Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

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pot usually is a political argument.

Just because Gawker is the limit of your literacy doesn't mean that it's the limit of viewpoints opposed to right-wing ignorance.

And don't compare Nietzsche and Mao with Rand. (you haven't read the former two anyway)



The true cause of SIDS is cats arguing about catnip.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

As always, you prefer to miss the point (and the humor) in favor of a cheap dig based not on the objective reality, but instead on your own prejudice against those who routinely expose the foolishness you still can't bring yourself to admit you're perpetually perpetrating.

I'm fully aware that there are more intelligent left-wing sources, but most of the people I encounter with the more moronic ideas coming from the left side of the political spectrum aren't picking those ideas up in The New York Times, but from cesspools like Gawker and Dailykos. Sites like those have a bad habit of leaving out key details that dramatically change a story. Cats are, of course, too clever for that sort of thing and know better, which is why they're judgmental. All hail our future furry overlords.

Also, no one was "comparing" any of those various philosophers. I was making a joke about cats flaming message boards by quoting often misunderstood philosophers. Since humor falls outside the normal spectrum of your cognitive abilities, you misunderstood the purpose of the statement.

TL;DR: You're dumb and I hope you choke on a horse cock.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

Some people argue liberal/socialist viewpoints on a stupid basis.

The difference is, those viewpoints can be defended on an intelligent basis. Libertarianism/neoconservatism is inherently a philosophy of ignorance that can't be defended intelligently. The entire way of thinking is a willful denial of how the world is known to work, has always worked.

It is no coincidence that libertarians and neocons are forced to talk in vague generalizations, constantly argue this or that book (that they haven't read) doesn't matter, and their most influential philosopher couldn't make the ideology sound cogent outside the realm of pulp fiction.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

/yawn

That's a very narrow view for someone who alleges to constantly challenge his suppositions. Then again, I guess all that talk of individualism and self-reliance would be hard to rationalize for someone in your position. The caged bird probably thinks the idea flying through the open air is a willful denial of how the world is known to work, too.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

Your issue is not with suppositions, it is with facts.

To follow your "caged bird" analogy, the bird in the cage is you - unwilling to expand your horizons by reading books about how the world actually works, preferring the "cage" of right-wing blogs and radio, Googling op-ed pieces that corroborate what you've already "supposed" to be true. So you narrow that big, bad world out there down to the scope of your cage, trite cliches about the last hundred years of American history (that don't describe even that narrow scope accurately) and how Europe is old and sucks and the closest brush Europe ever had with servitude was "chambermaids".

Societies do not and have never functioned on the basis of individualism and self-reliance. That is case in point. Human history is political history and political history is the story of developing better methods of cooperation. What you believe is willful ignorance and it can't be defended intelligently.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

This is ultimately the problem created by free-market capitalism / crony capitalism.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

Short Cones.

Sounds like the legal limit was set arbitrarily and too low.

Though, given alcohol's ever decreasing legal limit, and establishment views of marijuana, you can color me surprised it wasn't set to 0.

I'd like to know how they were testing their levels. I'm curious if there is practical ways of hard testing on the spot.

I feel like they'd do cotton swabs., but that would probably be wildly inaccurate.

Only other thing I could think is drawing blood, which would be more accurate.

Why have a legal limit at all?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

It's by blood test. And having a legal limit is fairly ridiculous, as it is legal (with prescription, though you can still be charged with DUI, the consequences are less strict) to drive on Percoset, Lortab, Xanax, Ativan, Valium, Phenergan, and hundreds of other drugs that have a much larger effect than marijuana. I can rip an entire gram through a bong, then drive past a police station on my way to an hour of errands, versus taking 5/500mg of Vicodin, which will almost certainly incapacitate me for 4-6 hours.

Yet, if I'm pulled over for driving on marijuana, I will almost certainly go to jail, but if I'm driving completely blitzed on opioids, I'll have my wrist slapped and be told to get off the road, as long as I have a prescription.

Doesn't matter anyway. Being too high to drive makes you not want to drive. It's a paradox.

Yes - because you have a prescription, a medically valid reason to take those drugs. If you don't, then you will probably be charged with felony possession.

You are comparing apples (drug abuse) with oranges (legitimate use of pharmaceuticals). Perhaps the latter is too expansive and an abuse onto itself; if so, that's a different problem than the one we're looking to address here.



You're right. So why does anyone care?

Why do people get on the road when they're high on pot and would be strongly disinclined to drive?

The answer is, because they want to get more pot, or because they have hunger cravings, or because they need to take care of whatever few marginal responsibilities they feel they need to do in order to keep the pot coming, so they can feel content with their sad, pathetic, chemically dependent existence.

And that is why pot is and should be and must always be illegal. Because if it wasn't, the scope of many people's thinking and behavior would become as narrow as getting the drug would allow, and the results would be disastrous for society as a whole. The effects of having so many totally apathetic people in society would have a massive impact on everyone's life, whatever one's individual choice might be.

Individual choices don't stay individual for very long.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

If you say so, though after reading that narrow-minded distortion of points-of-view that are probably beyond your ability to understand, I'd say you should stop wasting your time arguing with us and go get a job writing for Gawker. You'd fit right in.

Human history may be political history, but political history has been less about cooperation and more about conquest. It's no small wonder that when societies "cooperate" in the directions some of you endorse they collapse. It's not surprising that you fail to recognize that every evil plaguing society, from crony-capitalist corporatism to nutters going rampages in response to a society they feel has abandoned them, is the direct result of abandoning the principles we all once shared that built us into a great society.

You're little more than another mule pulling the cart along the road to hell that's paved with your good intentions, and the insults--especially the ones based on your imagining how the rest of us live--from a fool of your caliber carry no sting. Save your breath for the next unnecessarily melodramatic conflict you start with unsuspecting bystanders.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste