Grimmgor wrote:
algalon was never really hard
By that logic, no one should ever have been proud of completing the encounter or of getting any of the associated achievements, because it was never hard in the first place, and RM took so long to defeat it purely because of RNG.
Henq wrote:
Not to derail the derailing, but I really don't see how people can use I AM A BAD PLAYER anymore. I think the debate ended forever ago.
The fact is that any pug run advertising gear score and making their pug selections based on that alone, will always do worse than a pug run that inspects and chats with everyone before they are invited to the raid.
I will always been a fan of armory. And I have recently taken to just talking to the people who pst for invites. Asking two or three questions can give you quite a bit of information about the player behind the character, how well they know their toon, how well they know the fights, etc.
Though granted, my method is much more time consuming. So I am sure there is a tradeoff somewhere, but none involving I AM A BAD PLAYER
I honestly don't inspect for most pugs anymore, because it's so hard to tell good players from bads. So few players have real raid experience outside ICC (at least on the characters they routinely play), and everyone has the same welfare epics, and most gemming/enchanting is rote enough that even players who have no idea how to actually play their characters appear to gem correctly.
For Onyxia, Malygos, or Ulduar - basically, anything short of ToGC-25, or the second half of ICC25, the latter I don't pug anymore - I just invite random people then boot them after the fact if they underperform or if I summon them then see their gearing is gratuitously retarded.
It's enormously frustrating how LFD has destroyed the culture of this game.
The other day, I happened to be logged on my priest, still in mostly T8, and saw a group on Gunship-10 normal looking for a healer. I decided, why not, snag some gear for my alt...
I'm asked my gearscore. "No fucking idea. It's a bad mod for bad players by a bad player, and if you need to gear check for lootship that's pathetic." He asks where I am in IF; then thinks better of it and summons me. I join vent. This fat kid says, "This guy is lucky I'm letting him be here with his gearscore, I should just boot him."
So then we do Gunship 10 normal. EIGHT MINUTES start to finish. Two dps get axed to death. Then we do Saurfang and wipe twice because the hunters (there were three in the group, in addition to a a warlock, a mage and a resto sham) kept getting meleed by adds, and the DK tank, the GM of <Hells Heroes>, kept taunting at the wrong times or not at all.
Then I open mic and tell them matter of factly how to do it, "you need to taunt at the right times, there's no reason hunters should ever get meleed."
"We don't need you to tell us how to do this, we know how to do it, your gearscore sucks, this is a guild run and you're a pug."
Very characteristically, I reacted with continual escalation until I was vent banned and ignored by the entire guild (O NOOOO) then we gave up.
But yeah, "Saurfang is a freebie. That's the highly technical term. Believe me, it works." -Zarhym. Apparently, just not a freebie enough for some people, or even LOOTSHIP.
Seriously, full 264, five ranged, and can't do Gunship 10 or Saurfang 10. And these people think they're awesome because of their gearscore. Incomprehensible.
It's funny, though, I can tell if someone is using Gearscore just by how they itemize. They'll always use the Triumph trinket or Corpse Tongue Coin, and will always have very even item levels across all their gear, typically with totally dartboard itemization. I remember one mage wanted to come to something with like 17% hit.