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I wouldn't trust anything coming from a clinic ran by mayo!

lulz...true.

what if the baby is dead in the womb, or has any number of problems that will kill it before it's born or cause it to be stillborn? is it murder to abort a dead fetus?

what if the pregnancy is killing the mother? what if that mother won't even survive until childbirth? or if the mother would die in childbirth, and the only way to save her life is to abort the child? which is more murder? killing an unborn child, or sentencing its mother to death because you won't?

these aren't abstract hypotheticals, these things happen, and account for a lot of late term abortions.

people don't generally carry a baby around for months and then decide they don't want it. sure, they could, but it would be odd.

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according to the law it (and i'm intentionally objectifying an organism that can't sustain itself or be sustained by an outside force besides the host) doesn't exist until it receives a social security number. so until the govt starts assigning social security numbers upon conception you can quit arguing the "it's a human being" thing. the cerebro-electrical activity required for a fetus to beat it's own heart is equal to the electrical activity an earthworm uses to move above ground when it rains. it's DNA lines of code designed to self-preserve and recreate. the absolute basic blocks of genetic code. nothing "human" occurring whatsoever.

I agree, those situations aren't murder. But, 6 weeks is only a month and a half.



Okay, I'll take that. You believe that a human is not human if there is little cerebro-electrical activity (are people who become vegetables in an accident or something no longer human?). Fair enough.

So, to you, it would then be human ONLY if it were able to be sustained by an outside force other than the host?

I'll accept that. But then:

James Elgin Gill (born on 20 May 1987 in Ottawa, Canada), the earliest premature baby to survive was born at 128 days premature (21 weeks and 5 days gestation) and weighed 1 pound 6 ounces. So he was a little over 5 months. So I say ban all abortions after 5 months, unless it is a case of saving the mothers life.

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Done and done.

I hope you don't think they're human. If you've ever seen a person who is quite literally a vegetable, it's one of the saddest sights you can ever see. I would rather die a horrible death then go through with it.

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Well, clearly I think you should pull the plug (if I became a vegetable I would want people to pull the plug). But I fail to see how someone is no longer human. What are they? A fox? A turkey? They are a human. A braindead human. But a human nonetheless.

I think what we are moving towards here is, "what exactly is a human?"

I don't use brain activity, or lack thereof, to determine if someone is a human or not. I determine if someone is a human if they have the DNA structure of a human (irregardless of any defects in said structure).

no, they are not a human. they are a vegetable. did you think that nomenclature was a coincidence?

I'm more than a little concerned that some of you are advocating keeping rape-babies. I'm sure a kid who by definition is raised by a single mom (coupled with all the resentment of being a rape-baby in the first place) is going to have a wonderful life and be cherished as the little gift of life he or she really is. Yeah.

Would I have a hard time losing a kid if a girl I knocked up got pregnant and didn't want it? Sure. But ultimately, it's her decision. I'd certainly try to convince her to keep it if only because I've deluded myself into thinking I'd probably be a decent father, but it's definitely not something I want to do without a woman in the house.

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Just to play devil's advocate, lethal injection is also a legal medical procedure.

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I hope these pro-life people are anti-death penalty.

Aborting a child that did absolutely nothing wrong is not the same as killing a person who committed heinous crimes to which he earned the death penalty for. Remember we're talking about small, innocent, unborn human children, guilty only of having a selfish mother... not rapists and murderers.

So you can justify murder for some, and not others?

So, to you, humanity is only determined by brain activity. Gotcha. Are retarded people "less" human then?



I definitely think abortion should be okay in an instance of rape for these reasons you've mentioned. However, playing devil's advocate here, is it the child's fault the mother was raped? Should the child lose it's ability to have a life?



I'm pro-life for myself (pro-choice for society), I am also against the death penalty. Although that is again because the death penalty costs society way more than throwing people in jail (with the lengthy appeals processes on death row, and various other issues). Not to mention how many innocent people are wrongly executed yearly.

I think it can also be ironic when people are pro-choice and against the death penalty though lol. Like mayo said, lethal injection is a legal medical procedure.

Absolutely. I have no problem when a rapist or murder is executed. I don't care when our soldiers kill our enemies on the battlefield. I don't care when a person kills themselves, either. These cases someone is deserving of death.

I do care when someone kills a baby. What did the baby do to deserve death?