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Seriously, if you think RM is a hardcore raiding guild where everyone hates each other, you're very mistaken. Unless Isamoo is pissed off and being serious face on vent, we generally have a hell of a lot of fun playing. That's why we do it.

I don't give a shit about gear, or achievements. I do things that I enjoy. I honestly enjoy our raids.

And I also have a girlfriend, a full time job, I go out, I see movies, I play guitar, etc etc. I even go out to bars with friends, though not as often as I used to (mainly because I'm past the point in my life where getting drunk seems like a fun thing to do).


And if you think Akiina cares about achievements... she earned the achievement "Stratholme!" this week. She probably doesn't even know what achievements she has, and I'm pretty sure she wouldn't know what mounts she has if she didn't have them on a randomizer.


You don't have to be hardcore to be in a raiding guild, and I doubt people would raid if they didn't enjoy it.

Akina: bitch I will stab you in the face

Being "casual" is the new fad.

Nothing against RM, but your claims are malarkey. RM worked on the AQ gates, they wiped for months on 4H-40 and wiped enough to Muru to push him to P2 pre-3.0. They seriously contended (regardless of outcome) for server firsts through WotLK. They managed firsts in OS and were a major concern to Tempest and EI during competition for Grand Crusader, so much so EI blamed RM for the vent bombing during attempts, and Tempest chose to pull the boss and not wait for Vivain for fear the Alliance would beat them to it.

All that takes copious time and commitment, not merely showing up when people as individuals might rather not, but also caring, wanting to win so badly. That's not a casual attitude; to paraphrase Patton, people who lose and laugh rarely win in the first place.

Certainly you cared enough about wanting to do the content at any cost you held onto Kazmur, Violence, Zanick and other players who were generally hated because they were needed. So don't portray your guild as a casual drinking party sort of organization. RM has the same sort of "professionalism" that characterizes all hardcore guilds.

That's not to say that RM has no community or that raiders aren't friends - or that there isn't a long term core (whether you call it camaraderie or favoritism it adds up to the same thing, same as in every other guild). Myrrar pointed out, hardcore raid guilds have fun and screw around a lot; if they didn't, the best players, who don't need to lay on hot coals for loo, because they can go anywhere, would leave. RM, like all hardcore guilds whatever their progression, strikes a balance.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

RM was not really in the running for AQ gates and never saw 4H in Vanilla (literally, never saw them; wiped for a few weeks on Gothik after clearing the other 3 wings and then TBC hit). And the fact that RM is usually server 2nd or 3rd (or even, rarely, 1st) means almost nothing on BH, where there are only ever 2 or 3 guilds really progressing at all in new content when it's released. Coming in second in a two person race doesn't say anything about how hardcore you are.



Refuted not only by my own explicit statement that I only play because I enjoy it, but also refuted by your later conclusion that people who don't play because it's fun will leave.



We kept Kazmur around because as much as he grated on some people's nerves, he had earned his spot and deserved as much patience as possible. We did not keep him because we needed him, as evidenced by the fact that his leaving did not produce even the slightest blip in our ability to tank the encounters. I have never known RM to keep someone around because of a cynical belief that they are needed.



You've clearly never played with Bigchief. Or me for that matter (I'm usually drinking when I raid).


RM has had several players leave in hopes to join guilds that take progression more seriously, who are more "hardcore" and less "casual". I've never really faulted them for it, because if that's what they want, they really won't find it in RM. Our guild is full of people who enjoy raiding and joke around a LOT on vent while we do it. You're right that we don't willfully hinder ourselves in progression, but the real secret to our success is that we're competent enough to learn and defeat the encounters, and we enjoy playing enough to show up and do it. That's about all there is to it.

And as a parting thought, it is a strange thing for a guild that is constantly jockeying for server firsts to not bother to raid on Tuesdays.

Akina: bitch I will stab you in the face

What does Pre-bc/bc have to do with how RM is now?How many Current Raiders, do you think were in RM during classic/bc and still raid now?

just saying its nearly a different guild now and is not run the same as it was 3+ years ago

I realize this but the point stands. They were considered "a long shot" during Grand Crusader competition, but they definitely spent time competing against Deadline literally head-to-head for OS+3 firsts, and Deadline definitely saw itself as a hardcore guild.

I've played with both Bigchief and Kazmur.

Kazmur was definitely one of the worst tanks I've ever played with. He had horrible judgment, reaction time, knowledge, execution. I still remember him arguing with Purpledrink that he had done SWP pre-3.0 and that Eredar Twins were tauntable. He was arrogant and had an infantile and utterly insufferable personality. He managed to annoy even Gwen Stefani, a guild thick-skinned enough to tolerate me, to an extraordinary extent during his short stay here. To say this guy "earned" a raid spot for any other reason than attendance and class/role is laughable.

Bigchief is a cool guy and I'd call him a friend, but conversely, "hardcore" doesn't mean you have to be a Xeyali or Shamanist.


Case in point: this implication that being "hardcore" and being cool are mutually incompatible is corollary to the faddishness of "casual".

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

As if I could forget! Like I said, I'm not judging anyone who is a "hardcore" raider....if it makes them happy then, hell, go for it. I thought that was what really mattered, and I made decisions and lost friends because I thought gear/achievement was what was essential. It took one expansion and a ton of mistakes to make me see the error.

All I was saying is that, personally, I've come full circle in my WoW times and realized why being "hardcore" is just not for me.

To that end, I really like how I can still see all the content I want to see, and still get nice shinys every now and then, without having to devote hours upon hours to a video game.

Everyone who's progressed further than me has no life and plays WoW all day

Everyone who's progressed less than I have sucks at the game

I'm the perfect balance of the skill:played ratio.

i r in no guild

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zomg u has 5600 GS? no sry no invite 4 u

But being either of those makes you both an incomprehensible retard and a serious contender for biggest douchebag ever to pop out from between his mom's legs.

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