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My vote will then prevail if yours cancels his out! :D


and mine does yours, so we're back even.


Aaaaaand Iggy cancels it out again! :D


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You got a sister or a clone, Callysta? I'll let her buy me dinner.

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Callysta wrote:
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My vote will then prevail if yours cancels his out! :D


and mine does yours, so we're back even.


Aaaaaand Iggy cancels it out again! :D


And I cancel that out.


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I made a poll :)

http://bucketguild.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8916


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It is proven historical fact that cutting the tax rates spurs economic growth and feeds the treasury.


No it isn't, quit making shit up and passing it off as fact.

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Haliburton is only one of two companies on the planet that does some thing that Haliburton does. The other company up for the bids you're referring to was Schlaumberger, which is a French company. Aside from the political calculations of choosing an American company over a French one, there is also the whole "fuck you" to France for obstructing (which you guys seem to think is a bad thing) American action against Iraq for, among other things, breech of Gulf War cease-fire agreement.


Choosing an American company for political things is one thing, and it makes sense. That second bit? Not even a consideration. The chip on your shoulder never factors into real decisions made by people who matter. It can't be considered a "fuck you" to France because France as a national entity didn't stand to gain anything. Schlumberger is a private company incorporated in the Dutch Caribbean for fiscal/tax reasons specifically to avoid paying the French government. You're trying to bring your own (moronic) views about the Iraq war into a decision that had absolutely nothing to do with it.

And we sent troops the first time, when there was a war worth fighting. Get mad.


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I'd heard BP owned roughly 30-35% of that rig. exxon and i think....shell? owned the other bit.

If that's true, sticking BP with the entire bill is a dick move, and we have few enough allies in the world as it is.


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was I right, or was I farkin right. I'll be back later today around noonish to gloat bbl <3

see end of page 3, top of pg 4 for previously posted predictions. gnight


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id fuck the one in the middle.


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Yuratuhl wrote:
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It is proven historical fact that cutting the tax rates spurs economic growth and feeds the treasury.


No it isn't, quit making shit up and passing it off as fact.


Short Version: http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... -tax-rates

Long Version with Footnotes: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Report ... -Lower-Tax

Data referenced included tax cuts during the 1920s as well. Sorry I'm "making stuff up" because they don't cover economics in law school.

Funny part is, I covered this material with a liberal college professor while we were studying Keynesian Economics. Math doesn't belong to a political party, I guess.

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Haliburton is only one of two companies on the planet that does some thing that Haliburton does. The other company up for the bids you're referring to was Schlaumberger, which is a French company. Aside from the political calculations of choosing an American company over a French one, there is also the whole "fuck you" to France for obstructing (which you guys seem to think is a bad thing) American action against Iraq for, among other things, breech of Gulf War cease-fire agreement.


Choosing an American company for political things is one thing, and it makes sense. That second bit? Not even a consideration. The chip on your shoulder never factors into real decisions made by people who matter. It can't be considered a "fuck you" to France because France as a national entity didn't stand to gain anything. Schlumberger is a private company incorporated in the Dutch Caribbean for fiscal/tax reasons specifically to avoid paying the French government. You're trying to bring your own (moronic) views about the Iraq war into a decision that had absolutely nothing to do with it.

And we sent troops the first time, when there was a war worth fighting. Get mad.


After double-checking myself, I seem to have been to attributing statements by Rumsfeld to Cheney, which led to assessment about Schlaumberger not being awarded contracts that went to Haliburton.

It's a shame we didn't have the French with us the second time. No one else remembers to bring white flags. They're also invaluable if no one else is sure which wine goes with dinner. I can't believe that any company would move overseas to avoid confiscatory taxation and a mandatory "no more than 30 hours a week" work week.

I kid, I kid...but the military prowess of the country that has to settle for either a girl or a midget when looking for war heroes wasn't exactly missed.

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Partisan article does not establish causative link between tax cuts and growth.

Taxes were cut in both the 1920s, 1960s, and 1980s because major wars (World War I, World War II / Korea, and Vietnam) had just ended and the wartime tax rates were obsolescent. The cuts were not stimulus driven, and the cuts weren't previously funding civil services.

Setting this basic failure aside: Growth in the 1920s was unsustainable, based on borrowing and speculation, and ended in the Great Depression.

During the 1960s, the US faced no serious economic opposition abroad because of continuing dominance from World War II. Huge sums were spent in RnD and not speculation or servicing debt. The government itself poured vast sums into the space program and building tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, with all the jobs and development that came from it.

The 1980s was another unsustainable bubble that ended in the SnL crisis, and the "growth" of the late 1980s followed the fallout of the 1979 Iranian Revolution and its effect on oil prices and consequent development. Tax revenue soared because inflation shot through the roof and people saw their salaries and savings wiped out.


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Double-postardation.

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Aestu wrote:
Partisan article does not establish causative link between tax cuts and growth.

Taxes were cut in both the 1920s, 1960s, and 1980s because major wars (World War I, World War II / Korea, and Vietnam) had just ended and the wartime tax rates were obsolescent. The cuts were not stimulus driven, and the cuts weren't previously funding civil services.

Setting this basic failure aside: Growth in the 1920s was unsustainable, based on borrowing and speculation, and ended in the Great Depression.

During the 1960s, the US faced no serious economic opposition abroad because of continuing dominance from World War II. Huge sums were spent in RnD and not speculation or servicing debt. The government itself poured vast sums into the space program and building tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, with all the jobs and development that came from it.

The 1980s was another unsustainable bubble that ended in the SnL crisis, and the "growth" of the late 1980s followed the fallout of the 1979 Iranian Revolution and its effect on oil prices and consequent development. Tax revenue soared because inflation shot through the roof and people saw their salaries and savings wiped out.


Partisan? Yes, but also decently researched. I doubt you had time to read the long version with all the notations and references.

You should probably also check your dates. While WWI ended a short time before the change in economic policy in the 20s, the Korean/Vietnam Wars ended almost a decade before Kennedy/Reagan took office. While the economic effects of war would have definitely been influential for several years, such an effect fades quickly as time progresses.

It's probably not an error to suggest that our global economic advantage during the 60s contributed to improved performance, or further to suggest that global conditions impacted our economy in the late 70s/early 80s. Yet your assessment of the 70s/80s overlooks the tax changes made during the Carter Administration (eerily similar to those introduced/suggested by our current President) that led to that "wealthiest 1%" holding on to their money (lenders not lending sound familiar?) and creating a period of "stagflation." If anything your critique points out that during all the periods mentioned, the only constant to be observed in each case is the reduction of tax rates.

The cuts definitely were designed to stimulate the economy, at least in the cases of Reagan and Kennedy. In fact, JFK said:

"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress

The facts are there, if you choose to disbelieve them because you don't like the messenger(s), that's your business.


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You got a sister or a clone, Callysta? I'll let her buy me dinner.

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so during sex he's going to rape you?

What she's saying is, she doesn't enjoy it but if she plays hard to get maybe he'll actually try instead of just masturbating inside her vagina.


:shock: Could we just forget I said anything?

I can but I can't speak for anyone else. Can you? Chances are this will end up just like when you let it slip that your sister did porn . . . speaking of which.
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Oh, yeah...

NVM. My penis is my best friend, and I'm very selective about where I send him on vacation.

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