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God, I hope he doesn't release all that information he was claiming he'd release if he were arrested.


So torn about this guy. On the one hand...I'm all about journalism/integrity/exposing liars etc.

On the other hand...putting people's lives at risk...jeopardizing American national security...oh and being charged with rape...not stuff I can easily support.

No matter what...this guy is pretty radical...to a fault, some might say.

To your concerns:

1) There has been no evidence supporting the claim he has put anyone's lives at risk. As far as is publicly known, no one has been harmed in relation to his releases.

2) If the truth jeopardizes our national security, the problem is with what we are defining as our national security and the fact that it's based on untruths.

3) He isn't the first person to be suddenly accused of rape for being a whistleblower. It happened a few times to Americans during the Bush administration regarding Iraq. I don't have the examples off the top of my head but it isn't a new thing.

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was he arrested on the moon of Titan?

I was in a group with a guy named Titan, Jackwagon, and Mayo.

1) See bold.

2) As much as I agree that our government should uphold the highest moral/ethical standards, the world is a shitty place full of unscrupulous characters and raving whack-jobs. Knowing this, and not being 12, I realize that sometimes our moral/ethical standards are going to be lower on the priority scale than providing for the safety and security of the country.

3) Keeping #2 in mind, I believe there is a very good possibility that the rape charge may be some type of smear against Assange. However, this rape charge has been an ongoing ordeal for Assange. I remembered reading an article some time ago relating to this, and managed to find it again:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/sep/01/sweden-julian-assange-rape-investigation

The case was dismissed last week by Eva Finne, chief prosecutor in Stockholm, who overruled a lower-ranked prosecutor and said there was no reason to suspect that Assange, an Australian citizen, had raped a Swedish woman who had reported him to police.

The woman's lawyer appealed against the decision. Director of public prosecution Marianne Ny decided to reopen the case, saying new information had come in on Tuesday. "We went through all the case material again, including what came in, and that's when I made my decision," [to reopen the case] Ny told The Associated Press by phone. She declined to say what information she had received or whether Assange, who was questioned by investigators on Monday, would be arrested. An arrest warrant issued on 20 August was withdrawn within 24 hours.

Ny added that "it's not entirely uncommon" that such reversals take place in Sweden, in particular regarding allegations of sex crimes. She also decided that another complaint against Assange should be investigated on suspicion of "sexual coercion and sexual molestation". That overruled a previous decision to only investigate the case as "molestation," which is not a sex crime under Swedish law.


On top of that, even such a liberal democrat as Dianne Feinstein is done with Assange...though I guess that since his last attack was against the State Department, which is as liberal as the military is conservative, this should not be a surprise. Making the Pentagon look bad didn't prompt Senator Fienstein to write any editorials, but hits on the State Department and she's even allowing herself to be printed in a Rupert Murdoch publication.

Also somewhat unsurprising is that the next set of leaks were supposed to be related to the US banking industry. I wonder how much of that would prove things that Democrats like Barney Frank have been denying since the housing bubble collapsed? It's no wonder Assange is off to jail now.

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I'm not sure its a conspiracy. If the next leaks were supposed to be the banking industry, i'm sure he has stuff ready to go. maybe a cohort will releasei t.

That's likely. There's already some file on the site that's encrypted, and is apparently supposed to be decoded in the event of anything unseemly happening to Assange.

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If he's guilty of rape in Sweden, try him for rape in Sweden. The USA has no fucking business touching this guy, since what he did is a) not illegal and b) would be totally irrelevant if it were since he can't be guilty of treason against a country he's not a citizen of.

He didn't steal the cables. He didn't conspire to steal the cables.

Mike Huckabee is a total retard.

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They are trying him in Sweden. They're just holding him pending an extradition hearing in the UK.

He can't be guilty of treason, but as Senator Feinstein asserts, he can be tried under the espionage act...though I'm not sure if that's really the case since he's not a citizen of the US.

He might not have been part of the theft, but I believe he would be termed an "accessory after the fact" or something along those lines.

Not sure what Mike Huckabee has to do with this. What retarded thing did he say?

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He's not a spy because he didn't do any spying. He received information after it had been taken by someone else, someone he didn't employ and had no prior communication with (that's why it's not a conspiracy). He's not an accessory after the fact, because that's a term reserved for accomplices. He didn't constructively help the actual cause of the leak in any way. He's a glorified publishing house. He's only getting shit because he's visible, and we want a scapegoat because we're furious we suck so much shit when it comes to protecting stuff we don't want the world to know.

In the article linked at top, "According to the veteran Republican Mike Huckabee, 'anything less than execution is too kind a penalty'."

Good one, retard. That's not how laws work, but maybe it's too much to ask that representatives go to law school.

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huckabee ran so he could sit around at fox news making cake.


they can get this wikileaks dude for something, and since he pissed off the world, they will. i bet he makes a deal and turns in the people who sent him shit, so he'll either end up a "suicide" or he'll bring a lot of people down with him.


which is what i thought blagojevich's choices were, and i think i was wrong about that, so there ya go.

1) If no one has put forth ANY evidence to support the claim, there is absolutely no reason to believe it.

2) The entire premise of consent of the governed, the founding principle of American democracy, insists upon a level of honesty with the public. That honesty might be "I can't tell you that", but that's not the same things as a lie.

3) As far as I've seen the rape charges are pretty much the two girls he was boning getting pissed off when they found out. The first prosecutor tried to press charges, then his boss laughed and threw them out cause it was stupid, then it became political and they came back.

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According to the Senator Feinstein's editorial:
The law Mr. Assange continues to violate is the Espionage Act of 1917. That law makes it a felony for an unauthorized person to possess or transmit "information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation."

The Espionage Act also makes it a felony to fail to return such materials to the U.S. government. Importantly, the courts have held that "information relating to the national defense" applies to both classified and unclassified material. Each violation is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

That's her take. I'm not sure how the US prosecutes this or what sort of international law comes into play. If she is correct, though, while he's not spying in the James Bond sense of the word, he is in violation of the act.


Ah, heated rhetoric...I'm not sure why you'd mistake that for a serious commentary on what should or should not be done about Mr. Assange. Should I start taking Democrats seriously every time they spout nonsense like, "republicans want your kids to starve," or "they want to take away your social security?" I'd think you'd be able to recognize bloated exaggeration when you see it...then again, maybe you can't, and that's why you think people that disagree with you want kids and old people to die slowly in poverty.

In any case, you should probably be barred from holding elected office if you have a law degree, just on general principle. It's probably why average citizens can't decipher the eleventy-trillion pages of code that is vomited out of the federal government every year, and why even the IRS can't figure out the code that is supposed to guide its actions. Not to mention all the hay that gets tossed to the trial lawyers lobby...you have to feed your own, after all.

The most surprising part of the "rape" charges against Assange: His accusers were female.

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tbh, if the government doesn't want their laundry available to the public they should you know...make it more secure.