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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:54 pm  
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We're slow at work, and we're talking. All of the following could probably warrant their own thread, but no... I'm piling them all up, right here. ;)


1. If you haven't heard about Ivory Wave, check it out. Man. Dangerous shit. It seems the mission of the masses for a cheap, legal high will never be accomplished. Would legalizing all drugs help stop this?

2. Is there anything wrong with a 15 year old sleeping in the same bed with a parent?

3. If we agree that someday the human race will have enough computing power at its disposal to create realistic simulations of the past, is our current world certainly a simulation?

4. If you could erase one person from this reality, either historical or current, without anyone knowing you were responsible for it, would you do it?

5. Are some Americans better off because of the slavery of their ancestors?

6. Does the work/contributions of an individual get unfairly upgraded if they die/are killed early, or spectacularly? It could be anyone. For examples: Buddy Holly, JFK, MLK, Lincoln, Lennon, Malcolm X... etc.

7. If God, Heaven, and Hell are true, could the terrorists from 9-11 be in Heaven?

8. Would a country with nuclear capability allow itself to be conquered by another country without using it?


1. Don't really care tbh.
2. Wrong? Not if they aren't doing anything sexual. Weird? Yeah probably.
3. No, because that assumption also assumes that the humanity that can create those simulations would come from reality. Even if you want to go deeper into the looking glass and say they could be in a simulation themselves (there was a movie about this), that still at some point assumes a base reality. This assumption of base reality means that while our reality could be a simulation, it isn't *certainly* one.
4. I'm sure I would, and I have no idea who it would be. I'm sure it would be for stupid reasons.
5. No.
6. Yes, because it's all based on perception, and the story of their death gets rolled into that perception. It becomes as much a part of their work as their work is.
7. If you take the more ancient concept of a jealous, wrathful God, then yes. All throughout religious history people were considered holy for being bloodthirsty and brutal to those who made themselves enemies of that particular religion. The story of the Israelites claiming the promised land is one of a bloody war campaign across the region destroying the inhabitants.
8. Probably not.


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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
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Meaningless question.

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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:30 am  
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Eturnal... are you agreeing with Aestu before taking a jab... or jabbing all the way? I'd really rather see what you think about these meaningless queries. ;) (And, anyone else who hasn't replied! Go go!)


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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
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1. If you haven't heard about Ivory Wave, check it out. Man. Dangerous shit. It seems the mission of the masses for a cheap, legal high will never be accomplished. Would legalizing all drugs help stop this?
Legalization of drugs doesn't mean the drugs will be cheaper, especially once profits, regulation and taxation are in play. The government knows that drug users already pay street price for the substances so why would they lower it? Even if harder drugs are legalized that doesn't mean people are going to stop searching for a cheaper alternative on the grocery store shelfs.

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2. Is there anything wrong with a 15 year old sleeping in the same bed with a parent?

If there's no funny business going on, then I don't see the harm in it.

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3. If we agree that someday the human race will have enough computing power at its disposal to create realistic simulations of the past, is our current world certainly a simulation?

Could be.

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4. If you could erase one person from this reality, either historical or current, without anyone knowing you were responsible for it, would you do it?

Eh, maybe. I think I'd want people to know I was responsible for it. Just erasing someone in a means where no one ever knew about them seems juvenile to me.

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5. Are some Americans better off because of the slavery of their ancestors?

I think we're all better off because of slavery. Hell, I think the ancestors of slaves are better off because of slavery - that's fo' sho'.

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6. Does the work/contributions of an individual get unfairly upgraded if they die/are killed early, or spectacularly? It could be anyone. For examples: Buddy Holly, JFK, MLK, Lincoln, Lennon, Malcolm X... etc.

Yes.

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7. If God, Heaven, and Hell are true, could the terrorists from 9-11 be in Heaven?

I bet they'd like to think so. :P

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8. Would a country with nuclear capability allow itself to be conquered by another country without using it?

I doubt a country would use a nuke on an invading force within the invaded countries borders. That would be reckless. I could see the invaded country attacking the invading country, though.

PS: Jabbing all the way.
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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
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3. If we agree that someday the human race will have enough computing power at its disposal to create realistic simulations of the past, is our current world certainly a simulation?


That's maybe, perhaps, in the realm of possibilities that we can't even begin to imagine.

Since matter and energy are "related", as in, matter is basically condensed energy and matter/antimatter can annihilate to pure energy.

It would require computerization far, far, far beyond our realm of imagination. Think magnitudes beyond the predictive and abstract creation abilities of the human brain. It would have to not only simulate, but re-create the laws of nature that we observe down to the intricate details.

It would also require the totality of the energy in our universe, plus the matter converted to energy. And presumably the matter that we can't even see or observe because it doesn't interact with the EM spectrum (Dark matter). And the 72% of the energy that's unaccounted for. (Dark energy)

Amongst other things... like the entire process in which the laws of nature made primitive particles before the big bang evolve into matter that has consciousness (our brain)... over 14.7 billion perceived years in this hypothetical simulation.

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A question is never meaningless as long as it produces meaningFUL conversation.


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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
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1. If you haven't heard about Ivory Wave, check it out. Man. Dangerous shit. It seems the mission of the masses for a cheap, legal high will never be accomplished. Would legalizing all drugs help stop this?
I doubt it'd stop it, unless you had a drug that was cheap enough that price wasn't really a consideration for the poor who are mostly likely to use it.

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2. Is there anything wrong with a 15 year old sleeping in the same bed with a parent?
No, but culturally it's not my cup of tea.

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3. If we agree that someday the human race will have enough computing power at its disposal to create realistic simulations of the past, is our current world certainly a simulation?
Given time as infinite and your assumption as true, the probability is high to the point of being absolute.

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4. If you could erase one person from this reality, either historical or current, without anyone knowing you were responsible for it, would you do it?
Poorly worded, if I erase someone nobody would know they were gone. Would I remove all the affects caused by one person? Given the choice between an unforeseeable reality and the imperfect one we have currently, I'd probably take the devil I know every time.

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5. Are some Americans better off because of the slavery of their ancestors?
If we're talking about selective breeding, I'm going with no. Black people are statistically better at specific sports because culturally they value those sports more than education. It's the same reason why most linemen come from the midwest.

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6. Does the work/contributions of an individual get unfairly upgraded if they die/are killed early, or spectacularly? It could be anyone. For examples: Buddy Holly, JFK, MLK, Lincoln, Lennon, Malcolm X... etc.
Unfairly? Probably not, but it may draw enough attention to their work allowing it to actually be judged.

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7. If God, Heaven, and Hell are true, could the terrorists from 9-11 be in Heaven?
Assuming you believe in the judeo-christian god and attribute to him perfection, then I'll answer with another question: If a mother's love can forgive a murderous child's actions and love them regardless, how could a perfect god love their children any less? How could a perfect parent condemn their child to a life time of torture and suffering in hell or even allow hell to exist?

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8. Would a country with nuclear capability allow itself to be conquered by another country without using it?
There's always someone's finger on the trigger, and it's their choice to follow whatever decision is made.
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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
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Usdk wrote:
A question is never meaningless as long as it produces meaningFUL conversation.


Made me think of:

There are no stupid questions, just inquisitive idiots.


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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
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Joklem wrote:
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3. If we agree that someday the human race will have enough computing power at its disposal to create realistic simulations of the past, is our current world certainly a simulation?


That's maybe, perhaps, in the realm of possibilities that we can't even begin to imagine.

Since matter and energy are "related", as in, matter is basically condensed energy and matter/antimatter can annihilate to pure energy.

It would require computerization far, far, far beyond our realm of imagination. Think magnitudes beyond the predictive and abstract creation abilities of the human brain. It would have to not only simulate, but re-create the laws of nature that we observe down to the intricate details.

It would also require the totality of the energy in our universe, plus the matter converted to energy. And presumably the matter that we can't even see or observe because it doesn't interact with the EM spectrum (Dark matter). And the 72% of the energy that's unaccounted for. (Dark energy)

Amongst other things... like the entire process in which the laws of nature made primitive particles before the big bang evolve into matter that has consciousness (our brain)... over 14.7 billion perceived years in this hypothetical simulation.



What if all simulated matter/energy in your simulation only "exists" when you interact with it, making you in fact, the center of your simulated universe?


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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
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Boredalt wrote:
Joklem wrote:
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3. If we agree that someday the human race will have enough computing power at its disposal to create realistic simulations of the past, is our current world certainly a simulation?


That's maybe, perhaps, in the realm of possibilities that we can't even begin to imagine.

Since matter and energy are "related", as in, matter is basically condensed energy and matter/antimatter can annihilate to pure energy.

It would require computerization far, far, far beyond our realm of imagination. Think magnitudes beyond the predictive and abstract creation abilities of the human brain. It would have to not only simulate, but re-create the laws of nature that we observe down to the intricate details.

It would also require the totality of the energy in our universe, plus the matter converted to energy. And presumably the matter that we can't even see or observe because it doesn't interact with the EM spectrum (Dark matter). And the 72% of the energy that's unaccounted for. (Dark energy)

Amongst other things... like the entire process in which the laws of nature made primitive particles before the big bang evolve into matter that has consciousness (our brain)... over 14.7 billion perceived years in this hypothetical simulation.



What if all simulated matter/energy in your simulation only "exists" when you interact with it, making you in fact, the center of your simulated universe?


It's much like video games. When you play a one-player game the rest of the game is not active when you aren't around. If you're playing an MMO, the entire world is constantly up and running. Theoretically a system could be designed that would have individual instances of the world that cross and overlap when the people in them cross paths, but it would probably end up being more work to make that function than to just sustain the idle parts of the world.

I for one am constantly looking around for 1-dimensional trees when I get near the edge of the map.


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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
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Usdk wrote:
A question is never meaningless as long as it produces meaningFUL conversation.


A question can be said to be meaningless if its variables are not compatible with its parameters.

Example:
If pigs could fly, how fast would they fly? Meaningless question because pigs by definition cannot fly.
What's zero divided by zero? Meaningless question because it is not possible to subdivide a null quantity.

Meaningless questions can't have utility because they are by definition removed from real-world relevance.

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Idealism and metaphysics are the easiest things in the world, because people can talk as much nonsense as they like without basing it on objective reality or having it tested against reality. Materialism and dialectics, on the other hand, need effort. They must be based on and tested by objective reality. Unless one makes the effort one is liable to slip into idealism and metaphysics.


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 Post subject: Re: 8 Foodz for thotz...
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Oh hi aestu disagrees with me and then misses the point.


pigs flying and dividing 0 by 0 do not produce a meaninful conversation.

therefore, you're arguing the first half of my point and ignoring the river card.


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A question about pigs flying and the resultant speed of flight is a nonsense question but not meaningless. It would be a question of the aerodynamics of the bovine body, how strong the wings would be given the nature of that body, etc. There are ways to arrive at meaningful, if generally useless, answers.

It's only meaningless to discuss hypotheticals if you should be worrying about something more imminently real and important. Like if someone had just shot a pig at you out of a cannon.


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Meaningless questions can't have utility because they are by definition removed from real-world relevance.


And this statement would nullify the introductory study of physics, which is entirely made up of hypothetical environments where all but a few variables are neutralized. Those scenarios are by definition removed from real-world relevance, yet they have utility.


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I realize these questions are hypothetical and/or unimportant, but I feel these kinds of exercises force us to use our imaginations, just for the fun of it. I enjoy seeing the different slants we all have on... whatever. I have more of these that I'm going to post. ;) Sorry.


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It would be a question of the aerodynamics of the bovine body, how strong the wings would be given the nature of that body, etc.


Bovine is cattle, you mean PORCINE.

I have no idea why I thought that was important enough to correct. Please carry on.

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