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For example, If the responders are racing to the scene and killed in an accident.

Dvergar /
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Right, the punishment for doing something stupid should be the usual punishment for stupidity. Not first degree murder.

What's the fascination with teaching right and wrong through fear?

Really? Sell "stupid" to first responders who rush to save someone from whatever false alarm someone "stupid" called in when they have to bury a colleague with a family. Fuck. That. The usual $5,000 fine, or whatever, for stupid doesn't cover it. Sorry.


Teaching right and wrong through fear is effective, and sometimes the only way to reach some people, unfortunately.

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension

Except that the accident wasn't caused by the fire alarm being pulled.

Agreed, but that responder was at risk because of the fire alarm being pulled. It started the chain of events that lead to a death. Time for someone to be held responsible for what they caused.

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension

Baliff... whack his peepee.

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Nihilism is a copout.

this strikes me as slightly less than genuine

So, someone does something stupid yet not malicious in nature that leads to a chain of events that kills someone in a freak accident, and gets to spend his life in the slammer?

That's not justice, it's lust for revenge and the need for someone to be blamed and punished.

Another stupid hypothetical scenario to challenge this logic:

You are in the process of committing a misdemeanor normally punished by a fine, someone notices and calls the police. A squad car is dispatched, and on it's way gets into a traffic accident. Are you responsible for the harm on the officers?

Your example is different. When someone pulls a fire alarm, or calls in a bomb threat, etc., they have a reasonable expectation that fire and rescue responders will be rushing to what they believe to be a dangerous situation where people and property possibly need saving. And, honestly, I agree that "life in the slammer" is harsh. When I posted that those could be the consequences, I was only stating what the penalty "could" be (based on what I believe is the penalty here and what I read today that the maximum penalty is in Canada). I would be more in agreement with penalties associated with negligent homicide, but a fine? You can't possibly be advocating that.

What if someone pulls a fire alarm, and someone hurrying to leave the building dies after falling down stairs in the fire escape. You still think our silly prankster needs a stern talking to and to sit in timeout?

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension

Yeah. Exaggerating because you dislike a certain type of idiots is generally bad practice.

This is a case-by-case stupid scenario with so many variables that would need to be evaluated that if you heard it from somewhere, it was 100% fearmongering.

Haha. Oh boy.

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension

Unless pulling a fire alarm is a felony, and I'm fairly sure it's not, felony-murder doesn't apply and the kid isn't liable. Most jurisdictions (all of them that have colleges in them) have abolished the misdemeanor-manslaughter doctrine, and even then it's like 2 years maximum if the kid is white and doesn't have a decent lawyer.

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stupid argument is stupid.


If i'm delivering a pizza and someone runs into me, does the asshole who ordered the pizza pay for my shit?


no, and fuck you.

I think it is important to distinguish between a "kid" being a child, and a college student who is an adult knowingly committing a crime. It is a felony in many places, but since I live in Texas, I checked here. At least in Texas, the classification of this crime depends on where the alarm is pulled. It is a Class A misdemeanor (up to 1 year) in most cases, but is a felony in public schools, public transportation, or public utilities. Things are less clear if a responder dies, but I think you're probably right about that, too. Involuntary manslaughter of this type would be about 2 years, I think. I just recited what I was told during a week of bomb threats way back when I was in high school and I swear I read, today, that life is the maximum penalty allowable in Canada if this scenario happened, but I sure can't find it now dammit! So I'm full of shit. Pulling a fire alarm is no biggie. /sigh A few months to two years?... psssh....that's nothing for something so funny! What could possibly go wrong?

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension