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 Post subject: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:17 pm  
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http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 118?page=1

http://forums.wow-petopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=7077

I sent the GMs a mail; if they don't respond, I'll just seek publicity and hit small claims court...


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:54 pm  
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I wouldnt put it past you


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:22 pm  
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I got money on Aestu coming out on top.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:32 pm  
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Oh, go fuck yourself. I hope you don't get your pets back.
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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:20 am  
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 10:42 PM
Subject: Blizzard Entertainment - World of Warcraft

Greetings,

Thank you for contacting the World of Warcraft Game Master Department.

I know that we referred you to Billing earlier. I wanted to provide some clarification for what you will need to give to them when you contact them.

Please understand that, as I write this, recently our queue times have been very low. You shouldn't have to wait long at all to come into contact with a representative. We're open 7 days a week, from 7am PST to 8pm PST. They can be reached at 1-800-592-5499. If you can't find the time to call, you can send an email to [email protected].

Next - You will need to have handy the Credit Card information used to purchase these pets, AND if possible, the order number associated with them. I do not see the order attached to this Battle.net account. If someone you know purchased them for you with their Battle.net, or you were logged into another Battle.net account while you purchased them, the order history will be attached to -that- account. So, if this is at all possible, please also try to have handy the email address for that account.

With this information, we should be able to track down what's going on. Please do know that, to prevent fraud, checks may be done on accounts in relation to such purchases, and if a corresponding order or 'gift' doesn't exist on the account, the purchases may be temporarily removed until we can confirm that the order was placed and has not been charged back.

*** Please do not respond to this email as all conversations on this matter would be best handled online or by phone. ***


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Game Master Keithyra
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Blizzard Entertainment

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Dear Blizzard Entertainment,

Since the items were GIFTS (as you yourself know because you can see the purchaser was not me), you're asking me to provide someone else's user information and credit card number which is a completely unreasonable and flatly illegal request.

Your representative has already been provided the redemption code associated with the item and the name of my account, as well as documentary proof that the items were owned by me.
Please restore said items and restore forum access which is fundamental to the functionality of your product, and which was removed as an act of wanton retaliation.

Sincerely,
Ethan


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:23 am  
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You are now aware that whoever you paid to get those gifts managed to scam you of a few thousand gold by blocking or stopping the payment.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:27 am  
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Meowth wrote:
You are now aware that whoever you paid to get those gifts managed to scam you of a few thousand gold by blocking or stopping the payment.


could just be this.

Also, that green poster must have a really hard time seeing the screen with all the dick in his face.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:09 am  
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Subject: Blizzard Entertainment - World of Warcraft

Greetings,

Thank you for contacting the World of Warcraft Game Master Department.

If you don't have the credit information for the gift or the account name then we ask that the player that does have that information please contact us. As was stated in the forum thread you sent us, "Aestu, I do not see these codes as being attached to your account in any way, nor do I see you previously having ordered them yourself. Were they a gift? If so, the person who gifted them to you may need to contact Billing & Account Services to see what account the codes were redeemed on."

This still continues to be the case. Note that if you bought these items in game with gold, it is likely they have been removed. Generally these codes are sold by the same players who sell gold in game and purchases of these kind are stricktly against the Terms of Service. When we find this to be the case the items are generally removed and no refund provided of in game currency.

Please note that forum access is something we allow our places but is not guaranteeed simply by having a WoW account. This is generally looked on as a priveledge. If you would like to dispute an action taken on the forums you will need to contact the forum moderators at [email protected].

Should you require further assistance, please submit another help request the next time you are online. We hope you continue to enjoy your experience in World of Warcraft!

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Game Master Traeslin
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Dear Blizzard Entertainment,

First off, I am not in touch with the individual whom I bought the codes from, nor is it reasonable to ask that I be.

Second, the codes were legitimately purchased from Blizzard and gifted to me. They are marketed on the site as a gift which by definition means a transfer of value. Those codes were merchandise and Blizzard has absolutely no right to arbitrarily renege on services paid for with cash, without compensation. If Blizzard feels some element of the transaction was unsatisfactory then they are free to refund the cash value to the recipient of the codes and access to service they represent - me.

Quoted directly from the Blizzard Store FAQ:
"Can I designate an item as a gift?

You can only designate digital downloads as gifts. Doing so will send a transferable authentication key to the email address of your choice. For other products that you wish to gift to someone, simply add their address to your Address Book and send the order there."

Third, Blizzard is putting burden of proof of fair dealing on the recipient of a gift. This is a completely unreasonable stance at odds with typical practice and common sense. If Blizzard feels fraud took place that is for them to prove. A business has no right to renege on paid services on a totally arbitrary basis after the product has been paid for. By this logic, retailers would be within their rights to invade homes without warrant or lien and seize property they claim to be "stolen" then demand the victim provide proof they paid for the things.

Fourth, the claim that "sales of codes in-game" is against the Terms of Service is a lie. The ToS (http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/wow_tou.html) says absolutely nothing about transfer of property WITHIN the game. In fact there is a thread here on the official forums which has been a going concern dedicated to such transactions (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1670095935). Blizzard sells the codes packaged such that they are transferrable. How can Blizzard sell a product contrary to their own ToS?

Fifth, the fact that access to the forums is not a guaranteed part of service is irrelevant.

“This [forum access] is generally looked on as a priveledge”.
Taking retaliation against a legitimate creditor is illegal.

If businesses were permitted to arbitrarily renege on providing services for payment it would not be possible to honor contracts. Blizzard's stance in this regard is a clear violation of good faith as well as intellectual property law.

Sixth, Blizzard claims that “the codes may have been removed”. Yet the claim was (and ostensibly still is) being made that the codes were never on the account in the first place although that is clearly not true either. So which is it? Were they removed or were they never present in the first place?

Again, I expect the paid service will be restored, or the value of the property made good, and my forum access which was removed as retaliation will be restored.

Sincerely,
Ethan


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:14 pm  
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You're going to lose on this one. Blizzard's EULA and the Terms and Conditions used by their stores aren't written up by some intern, but by an experienced lawyer (probably multiple of them). I know you think you're pretty special, but you're not gonna get anywhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:01 pm  
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For people that don't have an hour to read: There are in-game pets that can be purchased with real money. They can be gifted, so Aestu bought one from a random dude in exchange for gold. What likely happened was a chargeback on the pets due to it being an unauthorized purchase on a stolen credit card or something along those lines. Since the payment for the pets was taken away from Blizzard, they removed the pets from the game (Aestu's account). I don't think Aestu understands this concept. Aestu says a bunch of stuff that I don't completely understand but I'm pretty sure doesn't make logical sense and demands he gets the pets restored anyways.

My question is: They say the pets can be gifted, fine. Can they be sold? That would be a pretty easy loophole to buying gold, you don't pay thousands of gold for a "gift." To me it seems like they aren't intended to be sold, and if you get screwed then you just have to suck it up since you are doing something you're not supposed to do in the first place and just be happy they didn't penalize your account for it. If they do allow purchases like this, they should refund the gold you paid for the item. But isn't the code applied out of game? It would be impossible to tell what exactly you gave gold to the person for, same reason they can't really ban you if it is against their ToS. So I believe you just gambled and lost.

Also stricktly.
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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:44 pm  
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I'm going to be surprised if this works out for you Aestu...seems like whoever bought the pets for you either stopped the payment, or used a stolen credit card or something along those lines - so Blizzard removed the pets.

While you may be correct that there is nothing in the ToS specifically stating that you can't buy pets from another player using in game gold - there is also nothing that says they need to protect you from fraud. From their perspective, it is cut and dry. They were paid for an item, but the payment didn't go through, so they took the item back.

Seems like your time would be better spent tracking down whoever you bought the pets from and bitching at them about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:58 pm  
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His time would have been better spent acting like he wasn't aware it was against the rules and acting like he got scammed by a player (what actually happened) instead of like he got scammed by blizzard. It would seem the more likely way to at least get his gold back, which he could then offer to someone on fubu or in guild in exchange for the pets.


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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:00 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: Blizzard Removed My Lil'Rag / Moonkin Pets
PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:17 am  
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From what i have read it seems that you bought these pets from a trade chat all-star for gold( legal or not im not here to argue that point)

But what im guessing happened that person bought said pets with a stolen credit card or maybe just had some payment issue.

According to them they do not have any record of you ever receiving these pets


Basicly only buy things from people you know, lesson learned.

Sucks to hear you got boned but i mean it was only what? 20 bucks so i'm guessing 5k? or somewhere around there. Go do some dailies...sell a craftable there ya go
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:48 pm  
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I'm surprised it took this long for someone to scam him actually.


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