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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:18 pm  
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You instigated and got what you were looking for. That's your bad, not Muerte.

If I wanted him banned, why wouldn't I just do it?


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:29 pm  
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People seem to like pretexts, as if they make their petty motives somehow less transparent.


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:33 pm  
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I don't need pretexts on the internet.


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:42 pm  
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Mns wrote:
I don't need pretexts on the internet.


hahahahahahahahh


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:02 pm  
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An opinion is a pretext?


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:04 pm  
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I didnt really see anything in there worth digging up.


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:33 pm  
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I like Mayo. More so when we used to do heroics.

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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:52 am  
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Aestu wrote:
It's important enough to you that you decided to post about it (something you very rarely do).

Perhaps I said that incorrectly. What I meant was that it was not important to the topic at hand.


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A lot of people don't like Mayo. Including you. Mayo has always had his little club of buddies who think he's awesome/misunderstood/whatever.

I have no problem with Mayo. I don't particularly care for some of his views, like some others here, but if I had some huge grudge against him, I wouldn't be posting here.

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A lot of people don't like Muerte. This is because, like Mayo, he frequently lashes out at / trolls / smacktalks people who aren't part of his social circle. Including me, but I take as good as I give and I'm more mature than most people give me credit for being, so I got over it. He himself has admitted he sees this sort of activity as an extension of the game itself.

No argument here. Not everyone gets along.

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Is he a "good" person? Well, this isn't St. Peter's tribunal. But you'd be way off the mark to argue that he hasn't given people less of a reason than quite a few other people to bear a grudge. Not that Mayo is particularly worthy of sympathy in anything.

I'm sorry dude. Maybe I am being dumb today, but what the hell did you say? I can't even comprehend this paragraph.

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Just saying, Muerte certainly isn't the "best" of all "dudes" by any impartial measure.

I'm sorry again. I did not realize that the statement I made was open for debate. "One of the best dudes I have played with". Thank you for letting me know that my opinion is incorrect.

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I thought Murte started raging because I had a nsfw avatar and was afk (as were the two mods we had at the time) so it didn't get changed till much later. Aka the Necrachilles thread in meta

Muerte started "raging" when I started raging and it was on the same topic. My original distaste and the seed which ended up sparking a big debate and thus muerte getting banned is a dead issue and no need to bring it up here again.

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A WILD HENQ APPEARS!

Told you I come back and post on threads of interest.
I just can't get into political squabblings.
I will always be interested in talking about the game, or people's irl lives.
Current events, religious propaganda nonsense, political debates...uninterested.


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Except that there was a vote and it went against muerte's wishes.

Majority rules

Again, Muerte and I were arguing the same point back then. There was a vote which went against what I wanted and what I thought was fair. I took action to remove myself from moderator and, unfortunately, ended up just losing interest in checking the forums as often. Muerte, obviously, had quite a different reaction to the vote than I. Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with either, just different.

In related news, thank you for the solid thread to post in.

Since we have gotten derailed so much with Muerte v Mayo all over again, I just wanted to be clear that the crux of my op was not to fight about that whole situation back in the day but rather provide an opinion on the main topic of the nerfs.

Blizz wants people to see content. They are nerfing fights to make that happen. This content has been out for a long while so those t hat hvae cleared everything have already done so and thus likely don't give a fuck. I just don't understand why everyone always cries when the nerfs hit MONTHS after the release of content. Who cares? My guild still raids the same stuff twice a week and we have just as much fun now as we did at the beginning. After the nerfs, guess what? Still having the same amount of fun. Aestu is right in that the nerfs may be redundant since they do not effect...well HS at least.

Stop worrying about what everyone else has and just worry about having fun with your friends...like this game is supposed to be about.
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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:26 am  
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Chat room with swords.

Have any HS tried rift?


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:30 am  
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Usdk wrote:
Chat room with swords.

Have any HS tried rift?


Kevin and Rob are playing atm. They are F&F rank HS.
Replica and Cagefight tried it out but stopped after the trial. Didn't like it much.
There might be one or two more than play but they are Friends and Family.
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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 10:11 am  
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Henq, what I meant to say, was that some people have good reasons to not like this guy because he often mocks and trolls people outside his social circle.

The fact that you personally like Muerte and think he's "the best of dudes", doesn't change the fact that people who aren't on personal terms with him but know only what they see, how he conducts himself in general, wouldn't find your opinion to be a particularly rational one.

Some people like Muerte, others Mayo, some both, some neither. Whatever. None of that is relevant as to who's right or wrong in this case. That was my point.

What I said that you "didn't get", was that whether individual people like or don't like this guy is a different question as to whether he's a "good guy". Common sense maybe, but something easily lost on people.

And contrary to what some frustrated forum debaters would have you believe, yes, an opinion can in fact be wrong. Most opinions, in fact, are wrong. After all, not all opinions can be correct nor are all opinions of equal worth.

Henq wrote:
Blizz wants people to see content. They are nerfing fights to make that happen. This content has been out for a long while so those t hat hvae cleared everything have already done so and thus likely don't give a fuck. I just don't understand why everyone always cries when the nerfs hit MONTHS after the release of content. Who cares? My guild still raids the same stuff twice a week and we have just as much fun now as we did at the beginning. After the nerfs, guess what? Still having the same amount of fun. Aestu is right in that the nerfs may be redundant since they do not effect...well HS at least.

Stop worrying about what everyone else has and just worry about having fun with your friends...like this game is supposed to be about.


The game is about whatever it's about to the players who play it.

There's a very good reason to care. A MMO is, as I said, a going concern. The community and world of a MMO is a saga and like any other saga, it must be internally consistent and have a sense of meter - definable points of reference. What gives the game world continuity, makes it compelling, is that people, places, things, events, are known variables. If you don't have that continuity, the game world ceases to be contiguous or compelling, and therefore, in the minds of many players, it ceases to be worth playing.

Let me give you a practical example outside WoW. I'm sure you've watched some really shitty sitcom or other badly written TV series, where the episode scripts were authored by like 20 different writers. The characters' personalities never really come into focus as they shift from episode to episode to suit the plot. Shows like that are pretty lame and uninteresting.

Or you meet people who are fashion-obsessed, or mindlessly emulate whatever is the trend du jour. People like that are totally uninteresting and ultimately a nuisance to be around, because eventually, you realize that beneath their shallow appeal to the lowest common denominator, they have no real personality at all.

So you take that to WoW. What ought to be a going concern, or a world with a certain "meter". It absolutely makes the game worth playing when nothing is a given, nothing is stable or contiguous, when there's no sense of continuity as one's achievements are not enduring.

It's no more unreasonable to desire that what one achieves in this game should have a certain persistence, than in any other field of recreational achievement. You may not make it to the state championship, but at least you can take home the silver cup from your county-wide game and associate it with a place and time.

I didn't get the Tempest Keep Key or ZA bear. I'm fine with that, and I don't begrudge those who did. Kingslayer wasn't particularly hard to get at late 80, but I think you'd agree that for those who didn't advance past that point, they would feel their achievement elevated should it have become an unobtainable Feat of Strength in 4.0.

That is a major reason why I find the game less and less compelling. The lack of continuity and permanence. Defeating the going concern. Abrupt and discontinuous change.

Change is a fact of life. WoW is a game created by man, for man, and it's no exception. Continuity doesn't have to mean that something is unchanging, but it does mean that the change should be gradual and rational. It's human nature and entirely reasonable to prefer gradual, rational change, to a world where nothing is certain and the present bears no connection to the past. And in WoW, a major turn-off for many players - even those who hold totally contradictory views on many individual issues - is a sense that change in the game has simply become too rapid and chaotic.

Specifically in the context of nerfs - and in answer to your rhetorical question - that is the issue many players have with it. It undermines the sense of continuity and direction in the game. You don't have to be 13/13H to appreciate that.

PS: I hope you know me well enough to know that I argue my views forcefully because it's my nature.


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 2:28 pm  
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lol talk about thread derailment


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:12 pm  
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I want to raid again with cool/fun bros =[


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:21 pm  
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Those nerfs are to normal modes that no one even does anymore. If anything it'll be nice for my alts. Can raid with some retards without wanting to stab myself in the neck.


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 Post subject: Re: 4.2
PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:27 pm  
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Esträgen wrote:
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