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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:46 am  
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Dvergar wrote:
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How much can you know about parenting unless you've actually been one?

Its funny because you're still talking.


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How would you know, you've never been a grammar teacher?!?! (srsly tho, gud one)


Obvious troll on both counts. Well done lulz.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:51 am  
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Dvergar wrote:
Azelma wrote:
Mns wrote:
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How much can you know about parenting unless you've actually been one?

Its funny because you're still talking.


*It's


How would you know, you've never been a grammar teacher?!?! (srsly tho, gud one)


Thread winner, imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:51 am  
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No kidding. I BWHAHAHAHA'D out loud.
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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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I think we've all learned something here today.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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The discussion over who is more qualified, or not, doesn't really matter. Parenting is a crap-shoot. You could do "everything right" and your kid could still turn out to be a shitty human being. We live in a world where educated professionals raise kids who go on to be crack heads and thugs, and where crack heads and thugs (on rare occasion) have children who overcome the obstacle of their parents to go on and be educated professionals. When I got my first car on the road, my dad told me that I was pretty much free to do whatever I wanted so long as I didn't piss my mother off in any way, because I was at the age where if they hadn't raised me right, there really wasn't anything they could do to change it. Parents are just one factor...if you're raising a sociopath or the kid falls in with an unsavory element, or what-the-fuck-ever, it's not so much the parenting as life. At least when this guy shot Skynet out of his daughters laptop, he was doing something to let her know something she was doing wasn't acceptable...even if he was setting some bad examples in the process. Sometimes kids just need to know their parents give a fuck. This guy clearly gives a fuck. I'd rather we had more parents who went overboard like this guy than the ones who look at their daughter being a cunt and go "ho-hum, I'm sure it'll all work out."

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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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Jubbergun wrote:
We live in a world where educated professionals raise kids who go on to be crack heads and thugs, and where crack heads and thugs (on rare occasion) have children who overcome the obstacle of their parents to go on and be educated professionals.


Your thinking is faulty. Just because someone is an educated professional does not make them a great parent. Success, wealth, education none of these make you a necessarily good or bad parent. Successful parenting will raise successful children in nearly all cases (the exception being children who are born with severe illnesses/disabilities that can not be overcome through good parenting). Unsuccessful parenting will lead to unsuccessful children in nearly all cases as well. There are always outliers but the exception doesn't suddenly become the rule.

Lazy parenting leads to kids who misbehave, take advantage of their parents etc. If your kid acts like a spoiled brat, is lazy, or is an insufferable human being chances are good that you played a major role in that.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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mazeltov wrote:
Your thinking is faulty. Just because someone is an educated professional does not make them a great parent. Success, wealth, education none of these make you a necessarily good or bad parent. Successful parenting will raise successful children in nearly all cases (the exception being children who are born with severe illnesses/disabilities that can not be overcome through good parenting). Unsuccessful parenting will lead to unsuccessful children in nearly all cases as well. There are always outliers but the exception doesn't suddenly become the rule.

Lazy parenting leads to kids who misbehave, take advantage of their parents etc. If your kid acts like a spoiled brat, is lazy, or is an insufferable human being chances are good that you played a major role in that.



Even if you change it from "professional" to "good parent," there are factors that go beyond the parent. A child isn't doomed to failure because they had a "bad" parent(s), it's just more likely that they'll fail, and a child is guaranteed success because they had a "good" parent, though they may be more likely to succeed. I know you're saying "all things being equal," but things generally aren't. Maybe it's excessive to say it's a 'crap shoot' like I did, but it really seems like it's more of a gamble than a certainty regardless of what you do. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but that's how it seems to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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As a 17 year old myself, we all know parents really don't have anything to do with how bratty and dumb a child is, her environment and peers are the ones who put ideas into a child's head about how life should be. Every kid tells each other only the good things their parents do, lets them drink, never has to do chores, etc... So kids start to believe everyone else's parents are awesome but, in fact they are just as strict and rigid as their own parents. The teenagers that emerge victorious after the high school age and are not completely retarded, like seriously you should hear the shit some kids say at my school, are the ones who realize that they are themselves, they are their own individual that do not need to compare themselves to other people.

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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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Agreed with Mazel

And I'd be the first to write myself down as "insufferable human being". The sword cuts both ways, and I'm fine with that.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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Maz, a couple good parents stuck with a shitty kid will still raise a shitty kid.


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 Post subject: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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I respectfully disagree with Boredalt's seemingly implied suggestion that unless you have raised a child from birth to adulthood, your experiences and opinions are less valid.

There are shitty parents at 45 that are alcoholics and beat their kids. There are amazing parents at 19 that work 2 jobs to support a kid that's not his by blood. My buddy Dustin is doing just that. His friend was murdered. Left behind a son who otherwise would have bounced around being viewed as a burden.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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Usdk wrote:
Maz, a couple good parents stuck with a shitty kid will still raise a shitty kid.


There are no shitty kids. Only shitty parents.

(Well, very few at any rate. Very, very few.)


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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Battletard wrote:
I respectfully disagree with Boredalt's seemingly implied suggestion that unless you have raised a child from birth to adulthood, your experiences and opinions are less valid.


I only mean to say that you can never fully understand parenthood until you've raised your own. I don't mean to say that you aren't capable of spotting some terrible parenting when you see it, but many of you will look back at your current attitudes toward parenting and laugh at yourselves.


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There are a lot of shitty kids, AND a lot of shitty parents.


fixt.

(And a lot of good kids and parents, as well.)


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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Boredalt wrote:
but many of you will look back at your current attitudes toward parenting and laugh at yourselves


I don't need to be a parent to know that parenting does not change most people, or that their parenting style doesn't reflect who they are as individuals prior to being parents.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:52 am  
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that parenting does not change most people


No way can that be true. Having/raising a child has to change you in some way.


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