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For or against?

Personally, I am against it. I feel that a DPS job is to DPS and that armor is irrelevant to this job, and the notion that plate should not wear leather is ridiculous. If it's a stat upgrade, even over a comparable plate item (talking major DPS upgrade, not sidegrade) I feel the plate wearer should have just as much right to it.

What are FuBU's thoughts on this issue, particularly interested in hearing from more experienced raiders, officers and GMs etc.

Brawlsack

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I always thought of it this way:

If cloth wearers can't wear plate or leather or mail, then the class with the less clothing choices should have the priority, but other loot rules may apply (new raider vs veteran who has been waiting for that item to become available, or whatever odd requirements you people have now).

Yes, an upgrade is an upgrade, but unless you establish this as a rule, then expect every possible complaint to surface from the people who don't have characters that can wear or equip everything.

[item]http://www.wowhead.com/item=18817[/item]

I mean, loot's not like that anymore, so meh.


Also, [item]http://www.wowhead.com/item=19019[/item] hunter loot.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=50613

http://www.wowhead.com/item=50699


There is a reason these are cloth, and that is Blizzard is dumb and can't itemize shit for other dps casters.

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A warrior shouldn't be getting leather loot over a rogue, if that's what you're asking. Assuming that the item is an upgrade for both of them.

Warriors, DKs, and (maybe) Paladins, have talents convert armor into damage, and I'm no pro-raider, but I think they are generally required or often used. So say a warrior gets something leather over a rogue, then later on gets a plate item with the same stats, but is better due to the higher armor, well now that leather piece is nothing more than wasted.

A warrior should get leather loot over disenchants though, regardless of how needed/sellable the mats are at the time.

Blizzard is trying to get rid of this in Cata, ie. leather won't have STR, just AGI, and AGI will be useless (or mostly) for plate wearers. I dunno what the fuck they are going to do to burn the bridge between leather and mail, as both will feature AGI, I though INT would be the stat you required from mail, but only Enhancement Shamans are going to benefit from that when Focus comes out.

I would never make any attempt at a lower proficiency item unless it was either:

A - It wasn't useful to it's intended wearers.

B - It was a massive upgrade, in which case I would ask if there was any chance I could go for it, explaining it would be a huge upgrade.

Those boots are amazing for holy paladins.

A lot of Leather is better than Plate for Paladins/Warriors. After I get my Leather pieces I plan on getting the Plate pieces for when the Mastery System comes out.

As a cloth wearer, nothing pisses me off more than when a cloth piece goes to a plate, leather, or mail wearer. If no other clothie needs it...then fine...but if it's an upgrade for a clothie, then GTFO.


I can ONLY wear cloth. How is it fair that I wouldn't get an item over some plate wearer, or some stupid boomkin?

I remember in TBC, I was in a raid, and this boomkin rolled against me on cloth boots (this was before you could trade items obviously). Well, despite my protests, they gave those boots to him. A few bosses later, leather caster boots dropped. Yeah....it was fucking bullshit.

If every class could wear every armor, then fine. But since cloth wearers can only wear cloth...it is completely unfair to have other classes get cloth items over them.

often best in slot for a plate is leather.


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That's absolute horse shit. The boomkin should know the loot tables to know of the boot drops, and then not enchant/gem his new gear so it could be traded to you :/

I am sorry you dealt with that idiot.

Edit: Wait, it was during TBC...nvm

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

I have 2 pieces of leather gear as part of my fury set. I didn't steal it from any rogues though. Had there been druids involved, I wouldn't have thought twice. (Fuck druids).

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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Almost all leather caster gear has Spirit on it. Spirit is not and will never be a dps stat. I can show you a hundred examples with little effort.

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Before haste become extremely important, Spirit was one of the top 3 stats for Spriests.

EDIT: Did not see you say leather. You are correct sir.

been the case for warriors forever.

Spirit/Haste items were the way to go for warlocks in ToC/Ulduar.

Cindered
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aside from things like blah blah being in the guild longer or whatever, what matters to me is if its bis or not for someone

otherwise its just another piece of loot and everyone will get what they want eventually so i don't see that being an issue if its not bis