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 Post subject: Re: Lara Logan played with fire....
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:46 pm  
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Boredalt wrote:
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Would you be raising these points if she were not a woman but a man?


Ugh. I admit that I feel differently because she’s a woman, but my point that she should have been aware of the danger, and should accept some responsibility for her safety stands whether we are talking about her or Anderson Cooper being assaulted.


What "responsibility" would that be?

Boredalt wrote:
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Would you be raising these points if she were not a reporter but a soldier?


I think the difference here is that she voluntarily put(s) herself into danger while soldiers follow orders. So, no.


Copout.

Soldiers face danger because the stakes are considered worthwhile. This is why they get medals for heroism - because some are more willing to make that choice than others. Whereas for soldiers, the impetus is that they are ordered to, for a reporter, it is that is where the action happens to be. Either way, it adds up to doing the dirty and dangerous work necessary to move this world forward.

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Would you be raising these points if she were not harmed but accomplished her goals and escaped potential danger?


No, I don’t think so, because her attack made it a story.


So nothing interesting was going on? Or are you saying it was her intent to solicit an attack?

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Would you be raising these points if she were not seeking to play a role in a foreign revolution but in a struggle against a hated enemy (e.g., Al Qaeda terrorists, etc)?


Yes. She’s been in Afghanistan, as well, among other places where revolution wasn’t the story. I believe these journalists often put themselves unnecessarily in harm’s way more to one-up other reporters than to get a story. Nir Rosen’s comments regarding Anderson Cooper and Logan were insensitive, but I’ll bet there’s some underlying truth in what he's implying about her motivations. She’s not playing a role in anything. She’s making a name for herself by reporting on those playing the roles from whatever hot spot she can get to. She wants to report history in the making, but certainly not anonymously. This is not a criticism. Let's just recognize that her bravery and devotion to her job aren't entirely selfless.


Are you saying reporters should be anonymous, that they have to be selfless monks any more than people in any other profession?

Why should reporting be a profession singularly free from ambition?

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Like I said, it's pusillanimous to languish in mediocrity and the status quo for fear of something not working out or someone getting hurt.


You told me something, one time, and when I see you post statements like this, I can see your admiration for people like Logan. But, I also wonder if you apply this philosophy to yourself, and if so why you’re still doing what you do, in light of our previous chat.


What behaviors are you referring to?


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 Post subject: Re: Lara Logan played with fire....
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:56 pm  
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So nothing interesting was going on? Or are you saying it was her intent to solicit an attack?



Really aestu? the story was obviously the egypt shit going on. her getting attacked was just a new story that people blew out of proportion because the media is shit.


and no, she didn't solicit an attack, nor do i think boredalt is insinuating that.


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 Post subject: Re: Lara Logan played with fire....
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:03 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
What "responsibility" would that be?


The same responsibility we all have to assess our surroundings and avoid danger when possible. She waded into a hysterical crowd of young male protesters knowing other reporters had been attacked, knowing that foreign women are subjected to unwanted sexual advances (at least), and knowing that the military had already arrested her twice and walked her back to her hotel at gunpoint. That was a choice she made. She could have said the danger was too high. Stop acting as if we aren't responsible for the consequences of the choices we make.

EDIT: I am in not way saying she deserved what happened to her.

Aestu wrote:
Copout.

Soldiers face danger because the stakes are considered worthwhile. This is why they get medals for heroism - because some are more willing to make that choice than others. Whereas for soldiers, the impetus is that they are ordered to, for a reporter, it is that is where the action happens to be. Either way, it adds up to doing the dirty and dangerous work necessary to move this world forward.


This is a poor comparison. She could have opted not to go. Many, many soldiers have assessed their missions and would not go, if they were given that option. They face dangers because the stakes are considered worthwhile to someone else above them. Apples and oranges.

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So nothing interesting was going on? Or are you saying it was her intent to solicit an attack?


I'm saying the protest was the story. Her unfortunate attack which resulted from her poor decision made her a story.

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Are you saying reporters should be anonymous, that they have to be selfless monks any more than people in any other profession? Why should reporting be a profession singularly free from ambition?


They shouldn't, and they aren't.

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What behaviors are you referring to?


I apologize for bringing this up.


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