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Is she politically dead now that she pissed off the Jewish lobby?

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Nihilism is a copout.

Pretty sure she's been politically dead since people realized she didn't understand what politics were.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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I thought that inexperience and stupidity were rallying points of the Republican party, considering they're staunchly against experienced politicians and the liberal elite (read: people that go to college).

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Sarah Palin was a politician with some executive experience and a college education... although I'm not sure why it matters to you, considering you supported for the Ivy Leauge graduate who could read a teleprompter well but can't lead a country worth a shit. BUT HAY HE HAS A COLLEGE STUFF AND IS LIEK WELL SPOKEN AND BlAK SO HE MUST BE A GUD POLITICNA AND PRESIDNET!!

most of bamas political experience involved running for office up until the time he was sworn in.


I'm not saying palin is even moderately intelligent or electable, but if bush hadn't alienated most of the nation for 8 years, obama would be on some internet forum right now complaining about how mccain is ruining hte country.

I voted for Clinton in the primaries.

Calling Palin a politician is an insult to people who actually take part in politics. She ran a state (poorly) with less people in it than the county I'm from in New Jersey. There are Republicans/conservatives who have Harvard law degrees, represent a sizable chunk of people, and understand how everything works even if they're wrong ideologically speaking. Then there's morons like Palin.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Dek and Aestu have successfully pwnd the thread. tag teamin'? Soft balls? OH YEAH

To troll, in a troll thread, is no crime.

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I would like to know your honest opinion here. Do you think George W Bush did a good job leading the country?

pointing to a shitty republican doesn't make a shitty democrat less shitty.

That answer's my question for you - you obviously aren't an asshat. I just am trying to gauge if Eturnal is one of those conservatives who's like

RONALD REGAN BUSH AMUUURIKA DA DAMN LIBERALS ARE RUINNIN THE CUNTRYYY!!!!!!

Basically, someone who blindly loves republicans while hating all democrats. Eturnal, I assume you are not this then, and you can accept that both parties can yield shit presidents.


I, for one, have never blindly loved either party. Every election I've observed in my short life has been a decision on the lesser of two evils. I did vote for Obama, because I thought he was the less evil of the two. Do I think he's done a great job? Hell no. Do I think he could do much better? Certainly. Do I think he's doing better than Bush? Yep. Do I think he's one of the worst presidents ever? Nope.

This isn't blind love for Obama that forms these opinions, it's simply evaluating truth and being rational.

I would like to know exactly, in list form, what Obama has done that qualifies him as "Shitty" and "Terrible" When you make this list, I would also like to remind you that he's been getting cock blocked by the right throughout his entire presidency, so it's been quite difficult for him to do much of anything. A politically informed person should evaluate the entire climate when considering a presidency. For example; I don't fault bush for how shitty the economy was. The dot com bust and the negative economic impact of September 11 was not his fault.

You guys can dislike him all you want, but I need sensible reasons, not Fox News rhetoric.

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I don't like that obama's political experience prior to becomming president was largely made up of running for president.

That was some hyperbole yes, and I agree with bama on a lot of social issues like say gay marriage or various other civil liberties things, but for the most part everyone agrees with that kind of shit(minus fox news they hates the gays and colored folks.)

I also really don't like how he shoehorned in the health care system, then apologizing for not explaining it better later. If its so good, shine bright lights all over it and let everyone bask in its glory, dont just be like OK BAM ITS IN. I mean if someone shoves a dildo in your ass, its going to hurt, no matter if you up liking it later. but hey, its easier to ask forgiveness than permission right?

The whole race issue got really tired during the election and into his presidency still(I know bama's not to blame for that, this is a digression) but I really wish he had just stood up and been like "Ok shut up about my race please, my politics should be more important to you."

I don't think the problem is with bama, but with the entire roster of washington weirdos.

So from what I can gather:

1) Obama's lack of experience prior to his election (only being in the senate) made you uneasy.

Valid concern, but clearly it doesnt mean he is actually a shitty president. If you recall, the man he was running against chose a Vice President who had even less experience than Obama (one of the large reasons McCain lost was the Palin VP pick).

2) The method in which the healthcare bill was pushed through without being explained/ just kind jammed in like a dildo

Also very valid, and I agree I didn't like how it was pushed through either. In fact, I thought that the final version was so bastardized that it did very little of what I thought it should. I think this speaks more to Washington as a whole than on Obama specifically.

Again, it was the lobbying, partisan politics, bitching, and behind-the-scenes bullshit that caused the healthcare bill to be raped and warped into it's current form. They removed a bunch to try to get more votes...and it didn't really work, so it was basically jammed through. This does fall on Obama, because he was so gung-ho about it.

In his defense, his campaign platform mentioned universal healthcare as a primary mission, so he wanted to get it "done" no matter what. Again, all political shit that's not entirely Obama's fault, but yes a fair point.

3) Race card

Annoying, yes. I didn't give a shit that he was black, I just voted for the lesser of two evil's. Again, this doesn't make Obama a shitty president...it is just political -- he benefited from the whole "first black president" thing, so he had no incentive to stop the talk.


Bottom line - I don't think from your reasons that Obama is a "shitty" president - you just don't like him very much but really, more accurately:



This.

Politics in Washington are shit - and no matter who we get in there, it's going to be pretty shitty. Obama had a lot of ideas and a lot of "change". I'll admit, I was excited, but skeptical. Clearly, Washington + Partisan Politics > Obama, which is why his presidency has thus far failed to produce many of the things he promised.

Shitty politics are shitty. Presidents just get caught in the shit storm.

Health care was jammed through? They debated it for over a year, he ran on reforming it, and he included many of the republican suggestions from years ago. If health care reform was a surprise it's because you didn't make an attempt to learn about it. Infact, it's been law for a while now and I am sure you still don't know much about it.

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We aren't talking about the speed at which it was passed, or "surprise" that healthcare reform was going on. We are talking about the way in which it was passed. The legislation was "jammed through" because it kept getting altered and changed til finally it was a shadow of its former self, and still had gaping issues (as evidenced by the fact that people are still arguing over it and there are all sorts of constitutionality questions).

We mean jammed as in...pushed through without more careful consideration. Basically it was "fuck it, that's good enough, let's pass it" so we are left with a pretty shitty bill that, IMHO doesn't do enough.