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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:10 am  
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None of this addresses the points I made. If Ghostcrawler acted like most devs before him and didn't post on the public forums, this hatred (directed specifically at him, of course players have always hated the devs in an abstract sense) wouldn't be there and we would be clueless about even the reasoning behind the changes being made. You may or may not agree with the direction of the game, but I appreciate that there's at least an attempt to keep players in the loop. You say that classes are being homogenized, but do you recall how things were before? Entire specs were completely useless throughout vanilla and for much of BC, while others were so shallow that you could do top tier dps with 1 spell. I think it's quite reasonable to trade a bit of homogenization for a full slate of interesting and useful specs. Whatever criticisms you make of GC and the dev team need to take the significant improvements they've implemented into account if they're going to have any credibility.


I do remember. That's not the point.

People don't hate GC because he talks, they hate him because of what he says and how he says it, and because he has taken the game that players liked and turned it into something else. Has nothing to do with game balance.


No, it is the point. Whatever your problem with GC is, hating on him for ruining the game or making capricious/malicious class changes is simply ignorant. There have been undeniable improvements in the utility and interest of almost every spec in the game. You seem very determined to detest the man, but I guess it's true what they say: haters gonna hate.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:16 am  
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I hate him for being a troll.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:18 am  
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hating on ghostcrawler is like hating on the president.

yeah he's the face of it, but underneath is a wretched hive of scum and villainy.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:22 am  
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Laelia wrote:
No, it is the point. Whatever your problem with GC is, hating on him for ruining the game or making capricious/malicious class changes is simply ignorant.


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I don't know how many times or in how many ways it can be said: improvements/changes in class balance aren't why he's hated. You insist on being typically and characteristically contrarian about an issue you refuse to understand. People hate him because he makes ignorant statements on forums and has dramatically changed the design philosophy in ways that are unappealing and reveal his lack of understanding of the game.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:41 am  
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gc is an asshole, we get it.


the game is much more balanced now than it was at vanilla.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:39 am  
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Aestu wrote:
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No, it is the point. Whatever your problem with GC is, hating on him for ruining the game or making capricious/malicious class changes is simply ignorant.


no u

I don't know how many times or in how many ways it can be said: improvements/changes in class balance aren't why he's hated. You insist on being typically and characteristically contrarian about an issue you refuse to understand. People hate him because he makes ignorant statements on forums and has dramatically changed the design philosophy in ways that are unappealing and reveal his lack of understanding of the game.


This isn't about why he's hated, the question is whether it's reasonable to hate him in the face of all the improvements he and the dev team have brought in. You can justify it to yourself however you want, but that doesn't make it a reasonable position to take.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:50 am  
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I like Ghostcrawler, because he actually breaks the veil of silence, and because he trolls people who take the forums (and the game) way too seriously.

And you can't say that this game has had one design philosophy and now it has another. Wow design philosophy has had more iterations than Madonna's wardrobe. And every change has always been decried as a horrible tragedy, until the next change when the old change becomes grandfathered in to the way things "used to be".

If you use raid frames native to the UI or the focus window or use more than one healing spell or don't have to stockpile specific resist gear for a few boss fights or actually do dps or tank on a paladin or any number of other things you are a walking, talking example of things not being the way they used to be.

Get mad nerds, you'll get over it.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
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GC killed my dog. Fact.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:44 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
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Laelia wrote:
This isn't about why he's hated, the question is whether it's reasonable to hate him in the face of all the improvements he and the dev team have brought in. You can justify it to yourself however you want, but that doesn't make it a reasonable position to take.


This is not a case of taking the good with the bad. They aren't two sides of the same coin. The good and bad changes that have been implemented during GC's tenure are completely discrete and separable, and for the most part only the latter is really the result of his design style. Most of the class changes were in the pipeline or were implemented before he joined the team.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:37 pm  
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gc just puts a face on the hate directed at the dev team. people would hate on the devs either way.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:27 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
gc just puts a face on the hate directed at the dev team. people would hate on the devs either way.


This - but more specifically, I think you have to look up the totem poll. The whole WotlK debacle was a result of decisions made by Blizzard higher ups (putting pressure on the dev team) in an effort to please Activision and her shareholders.



Then again, I don't trust corporations...so I'm biased.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
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Say what you want about Ghostcrawler, but it's Eyonix (and to a lesser degree, Tseric) that people actually wished death upon.

BUS SHOCK

and then Ennkay killed Drokthul in single combat.


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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
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Tseric was actually hilarious though. Emonix is just an annoying faggot, Tseric trolled the living fuck out of the people who raged in his threads.
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 Post subject: Re: PTR Notes (Trolls oh my!)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:54 pm  
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GC is a dev. Eyonix and Tseric were CMs.


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