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You haven't provided any facts or information, just your own unsubstantiated accusations and those of Zionist sites.

You haven't established that these people are a threat to mainstream society. You say they want to establish a "caliphate". How? If not by violent means, then they're just advancing their own version of unreality, just like Christian fundamentalists, and certainly you don't object to their belief in the Second Coming?

a plan for rooting Islam in America

take away my freedoms to believe in what I want to believe

So because you think people are zionist without proof of this conspiracy you're calling eturnal out for being anti muslim terrorist because he doesn't have proof of that conspiracy.


got it.

The threat to mainstream society is the will to completely dismantle our mainstream society from within to establish a Caliphate ruled by Shariah law. How? Hell if I know? Maybe by supporting guys who want to blow up NYC? Maybe by gathering support to destroy Israel? Maybe they want to learn from the Muslim Brotherhood, since they were working on a plan for rooting Islam in America by establishing a lot of small, Muslim organizations then merging them all together to create a massive, Islamic power. I'm not a member of the ICNA, MSA, MB, As-Sabiqun or any other Islamist Jihadist group... so I really don't know what they're planning. I just know these two guys support a Caliphate and that's part of what the protesters were protesting. They do have that right to protest against people who want to change the country, you know.

All that I've seen you do is desperately try to associate these people with terrorists because doing this somehow removes any need to care about them as people. Not to mention I'd be fine if any of you admitted that what was seen in the video was wrong, but all I've seen was that it was completely out of context and other bids for desperately defending these people. Hell, I'd even be fine if there was a "these guys were wrong, but the protest as a whole was good", but I don't think I've seen a single admission that the people in the videos did anything wrong.

Its really looking like as soon as you don't like was a muslim is doing, the implications come out that they're associated with terrorists in some sort of internet-fueled witchunt. Its happened (even if it was justified) to a bunch of leaders in the middle east (ex. Iran, Libya, Iraq, Palestine, etc), the guy who tried to make a mosque in new york city, and now this. Its ok though, desperately trying to link muslim groups to terrorists and saying that people who got yelled at to go home to their original countries because they saw these people (even if they're no way affiliated) is totally ok. Maybe we can start making associations to all muslims and terrorists just like we did for the Japanese back in WWII, because this whole "group Y is maybe associated to action X" thing is incredibly dangerous.


You might want to tell the people at the rally this, because I don't think a group of them got that memo.

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You're aware that the word "zionist" was around before (and had a specific definition) before Zeitgeist was made, right?

Because I totally said that people were zionists. I only stated that getting a statement on a muslim group by a zionist one isn't a good idea if you're looking for a fair assessment.

You say shit like this and then wonder why people say you hate Muslims?

Its funny because you were ragging on them for being anti-semite

...but switch every Muslim instance with a Jewish one and you have something you'd find on a white supremacist manifesto.

EDIT *somehow my post disappeared >.<*: Mayo, a dozen people out of a group of 1,500 didn't get the memo. They are terrible people and I don't like them and think what they did was wrong. All it did was serve as fodder for people who are desperate to point fingers and shy away from the real issues. Happy? And if you actually *read* anything that people had written, you'd know that no one was condoning the few people yelling.

I think Eternal hit the nail on the head when he talked about having heads in the sand. People that are malleable and easily led will believe whatever their political party tells them. And while I really like you Mayo (ty ty ty for pet trading with me, ilu) I think that you only see what your bias tells you to see. You ignore everything else, even cold hard facts, because they don't fit your world view. I am not trying to single you out (because SO many people do this) but you happen to be the one most guilty of it atm.

Were you not implying that the sources I used for my information are Zionists, or are at least run by Zionists? If so, aren't you calling people Zionists?

I'm not a member of the ICNA, MSA, MB, As-Sabiqun or any other Islamist Jihadist group... so I really don't know what they're planning. I just know these two guys support a Caliphate and that's part of what the protesters were protesting. They do have that right to protest against people who want to change the country, you know.

The threat to mainstream society is the will to completely dismantle our mainstream society from within to establish a Caliphate ruled by Shariah law. How? Hell if I know? Maybe by supporting guys who want to blow up NYC? Maybe by gathering support to destroy Israel? Maybe they want to learn from the Muslim Brotherhood, since they were working on a plan for rooting Islam in America by establishing a lot of small, Muslim organizations then merging them all together to create a massive, Islamic power.

And what about Christians who listen to speakers with ties to fundamentalists? Ought they be treated similarly by the many who think their vision for the country is evil?

We're not talking about white supremacists, though... we're talking about a bunch of people organizing protests against two Imams that have some views the protesters disagree with. The protesters have the right to organize. You were wrong in jumping to judgement before looking into the protest.

We're not talking about the protests, I'm talking about your ridiculous idea that something like 5% of the country's population is going to put sleeper cells in communities all around the country, link them together, and then bypass the legal system to create some sort of Khomeini-esque Muslim regime or some ridiculous bullshit

You keep calling these people terrible and wrong, etc, but afer four pages, you still haven't provided facts justifying these labels.

When you talk about people being "malleable" or "easily led" or their "bias", this seems to be a typical case of projection. You hold views and beliefs that support a particular special interest group, but you can't justify why. If anyone here is "biased" and "easily led", it's you.