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 Post subject: Re: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:58 am  
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1 - CAIR didn't make any mention of the ICNA speakers so viewers wouldn't look into the speakers pasts.
2 - AIR never said why the Tea Party protest was taking place, even though it was stated by the protest organizer at the rally to protest the Imams.
3 - The protest speakers said they advocated a non-violent and a non-in-your-face protest, yet CAIR didn't attempt to show that in their video.
4 - CAIR's commentary at the start said the people in the video were part of organizations and groups; the groups have denied even knowing who they were. (It appeared as much, too, if you watch the real protest.)
5 - CAIR said one of the speakers belonged to an SPLC Hate Group, yet failed to mention one of the speakers at the event had history with part of an SPLC Hate Group as well.
6 - CAIR used excerpts from the real protest and spliced it with video from the splinter protest, trying to connect the elected officials to the splinter protest.
7 - CAIR used simple tactics in the video to make the situation look more than it really was; ie. Camera-man rushing to get behind a family walking toward the front door so it looked like the family was marching toward an angry mob... just to pull on your heart-strings.
8 - The CAIR website says, "The Greater Los Angeles Area office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-LA) today released a video of a rally organized by anti-Muslim bigots to protest a February fundraising event held by an American Muslim relief group for relief work and charity in the U.S."

That's a good start.
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 Post subject: Re: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:34 pm  
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I'll just win this thread rq.

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"It is true that specific individuals, including some who are Muslims, are violent extremists. However, these are individuals but not entire communities…When their violent actions are associated with an entire community, then blame is assigned to a whole group. This is the very heart of stereotyping and scapegoating, which is counterproductive," Ellison insisted. "Ascribing the evil acts of a few individuals to an entire community is wrong; it is ineffective, and it risks making our country less secure."


-Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110310/ts_yblog_theticket/muslim-rep-keith-ellison-tears-up-during-hearings-on-islamic-radicalization


You can't hate on everyone in a group because of the actions of a few. Not all muslims are terrorists and not all tea party members are racist.

ok go on and argue semantics for another few pages. I'm done with this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:15 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
1 - CAIR didn't make any mention of the ICNA speakers so viewers wouldn't look into the speakers pasts.

2 - AIR never said why the Tea Party protest was taking place, even though it was stated by the protest organizer at the rally to protest the Imams.


How is this relevant? Are you saying that legitimizes what happened?

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3 - The protest speakers said they advocated a non-violent and a non-in-your-face protest, yet CAIR didn't attempt to show that in their video.


What is shown in the video is non-violent and not-in-your-face, largely because if it wasn't, the Muslims could invoke right of self-defense and right to evict intruders by force to remove the protesters.

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4 - CAIR's commentary at the start said the people in the video were part of organizations and groups; the groups have denied even knowing who they were. (It appeared as much, too, if you watch the real protest.)

5 - CAIR said one of the speakers belonged to an SPLC Hate Group, yet failed to mention one of the speakers at the event had history with part of an SPLC Hate Group as well.


Substantiate this.

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6 - CAIR used excerpts from the real protest and spliced it with video from the splinter protest, trying to connect the elected officials to the splinter protest.
7 - CAIR used simple tactics in the video to make the situation look more than it really was; ie. Camera-man rushing to get behind a family walking toward the front door so it looked like the family was marching toward an angry mob... just to pull on your heart-strings.
8 - The CAIR website says, "The Greater Los Angeles Area office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-LA) today released a video of a rally organized by anti-Muslim bigots to protest a February fundraising event held by an American Muslim relief group for relief work and charity in the U.S."

You keep trying to create this false dichotomy between the "real" protest and the "fake" protest. Doesn't work that way. That WAS the protest, it WAS real. It wasn't "unreal". It wasn't staged, these weren't plants, it wasn't a mock-up, what is portrayed in the video was real, it happened. The moderates not shown in the video, whom you claim exist but haven't provided any proof of, don't negate the reality of the extremists we see in this one.

In any event, your claim that there was a "real" protest defies logic. We can see clearly in the video that the bigots are crowded along the fence. If they were outnumbered by moderates why did the moderates not occupy the perimeter? If they outnumbered the bigots, it would stand to reason they'd displace them amongst most of its length, and would have the sheer numbers to displace them so they wouldn't be discredited.


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 Post subject: Re: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:17 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Anyways, good luck on your quest to change. Since having opinions and convictions made of playdoh is a disgusting quality, I'm going to stay the way I am.


Weren't you previously an atheist?


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 Post subject: Re: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:49 pm  
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lol - Shutup bro.

Edit: It did take about 15 years for me to finally change my mind and that was after years of internal debate. Not so playdoh-y?

Since you're here - Hate Speech... legal or no?
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 Post subject: Re: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:25 pm  
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eturnalshift wrote:
Since having opinions and convictions made of playdoh is a disgusting quality, I'm going to stay the way I am.


lol didn't realize I was arguing with a child.

And with that, I shall +1 Usdk's post and take my leave. Good day to you all, gentlemen and bigots alike.

EDIT: And ladies. Can't forget about the ladies else eturnal will think I beat my gf or something


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 Post subject: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:45 pm  
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I propose a new award for worst thread of the month.

In this same proposition I submit this thread as a candidate for this award.


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 Post subject: Re: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:59 pm  
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but, but... lobster!


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 Post subject: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:19 am  
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Tehra wrote:
but, but... lobster!


Split thread!

Teal bitches- get on it.


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 Post subject: Re: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:29 am  
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It's extremely difficult to have anything classified as hate speech in the United States. You're constitutionally allowed to say almost anything, short of inciting a riot (has to be imminent) or violence (likewise imminent) or very specific safety regulations (fire in a crowded theatre).

There's a reason the WBC is allowed to picket funerals and yell that dead soldiers were fags that god hates. These jokers in the original vid are well within the limits. The instant that one of them raises a hand it becomes assault, but so long as they're just using words, they're in the clear. Being a total verbal fuckwit is a constitutionally protected right.


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 Post subject: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:36 am  
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Yuratuhl wrote:
Being a total verbal fuckwit is a constitutionally protected right.


Hello, my name is Jean-Luc Shepard and this the best amendment in the galaxy.


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 Post subject: Re: Mindblowing
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:03 am  
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Joklem wrote:
Yuratuhl wrote:
Being a total verbal fuckwit is a constitutionally protected right.


Hello, my name is Jean-Luc Shepard and this the best amendment in the galaxy.


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If you're not saying that in sarcasm and/or jest, I wholeheartedly agree.

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