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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:06 am  
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Funny how that works, isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:13 am  
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i was hoping this was gonna be about the horde LFG channel back in vanilla/bc that a bunch of us ran with an iron fist.

i am disappoint :[
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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:27 am  
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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:08 pm  
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...which would be likely except it's congruent and contemporaneous with a deliberate misrepresentation.



This is a textbook example of the logical fallacy Begging The Question.

You have built an argument on the premise that it is a deliberate misrepresentation, but you have not provided any evidence to support that premise. When challenged, you can only point to the unproven premise as evidence of your argument.


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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:12 pm  
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When challenged, you can only say that everyone else is a moron.


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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:21 pm  
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dek wrote:
Aestu wrote:
...which would be likely except it's congruent and contemporaneous with a deliberate misrepresentation.


This is a textbook example of the logical fallacy Begging The Question.

You have built an argument on the premise that it is a deliberate misrepresentation, but you have not provided any evidence to support that premise. When challenged, you can only point to the unproven premise as evidence of your argument.


Stupid and wrong

Since it is my CONCLUSION that it is a deliberate misrepresentation, if that were the PREMISE, then what you describe would be "circular logic", not "begging the question". However, that is not the premise, the PREMISES are that there are multiple cases of the facts of pre-LFD LFG being distorted/misrepresented/redacted and that it is unlikely that these congruent and contemporaneous misrepresentations are coincidental.

The SUPPORTING EVIDENCE has already been supplied in the form of direct links to the edit history and GC's post. If you want to educate yourself about the issue then you can go read through mountains of green and blue posts and Activision's PR style in general: doublespeak is a singularly common means of mistruth.

Clear signs your position in an argument is motivated by being small and stupid and butthurt at being small and stupid:

1. You refer to curiously ambiguous and unspecified "experience" in the field (read: no one cares you were a gopher/mail dude in the call center/whatever)
2. You don't analyze the supporting facts and evidence but address the issue in a contrived wannabe debate club manner
3. In pursuing the following two approaches, you commit logical and factual fallacies that make it clear that your putative claim to professional or dialectical expertise is a sham
4. You bear a grudge against the holder of the position and can't seem to agree with this person on anything, so you weigh in to say he's wrong on every issue (and he's often proven right after the fact), suggesting that your perception of "wrongness" is driven by emotion and not logic
5. Your reasons for holding said grudge is nothing that was said or done to you personally, but merely a bunch of vague, undefined emotional miasmas, suggesting the problem - whatever makes you feel compelled to butt heads - is ultimately on your end.

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dek wrote:
When challenged, you can only say that everyone else is a moron.


....so in other words, my initial assessment was correct, and you dismissed my opinion not as a "joke" but as a "challenge".

Also you seem to forget that I went into great detail in explaining why you (and Dek, and Akiina) were wrong about a lot of things. So don't say I JUST call you a moron. I'm always very careful to explain why I have that perception. The proof is that said logic is lost on you and you just go right off believing whatever you do without internalizing a word of it.

Amazing how that works, isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:52 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Amazing how that works, isn't it?


Aestu wrote:
Funny how that works, isn't it?


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cognitive dissonance.


Aestu wrote:
Amazing how that works, isn't it?


Aestu wrote:
Funny how that works, isn't it?


Aestu wrote:
cognitive dissonance.


Aestu wrote:
Amazing how that works, isn't it?


Aestu wrote:
Funny how that works, isn't it?


Aestu wrote:
cognitive dissonance.


Obviously botting.


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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:00 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:33 pm  
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No, if it were circular logic you would end up where you started, which isn't the case. That's why they call it circular. You aren't using point A to prove point B, and point B to prove point A. You are simply assuming point A, and therefore deriving point B, without providing real evidence for point A.

If you want to say the conspiracy theory is your conclusion, I will defer to your understanding of the direction of your reasoning. However, what I perceived to be the conclusion would then be the premise instead: that the loose collection of circumstantial evidence you've gathered is meaningful, related, and part of a larger story. A premise to which you have likewise not provided any actual evidence. That's the thing about begging the question, the direction isn't important because it's an argument that rests on itself (but does not circle back on itself).

However, I hardly feel like continuing arguing the subtleties of logical fallacies with the person making it and defending it so thoroughly. You have no evidence that the person who updated the wiki or did any other thing had any part in the decision making that led to the need to do those updates, or direction from those who made those decisions. Unless you can prove that, you need to go put on a tinfoil hat. And as anyone who actually works in the professional world can attest, you do not task someone probably making close to or over 6 figures to update a wiki. You would be simply throwing away money hand over fist if you did that.


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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:46 pm  
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dek wrote:
However, what I perceived to be the conclusion would then be the premise instead: that the loose collection of circumstantial evidence you've gathered is meaningful, related, and part of a larger story.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slothful_induction

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the conspiracy theory


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization


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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:00 am  
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lol'd aloud at the Counting... Aloud :D


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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:43 am  
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when we doing that secret of mana playthrough.

+ what if i can get us a third?
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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:56 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:07 pm  
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you can't 3 man the entirety of it due to characters leaving, but you can 3 player bro op.


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 Post subject: Re: The Very Interesting History of LFG
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:21 pm  
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