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The obvious problem is the child has equal protection rights and one of those is access to public school. She's legally required to be educated, and legally allowed to attend a school. It gets hazy right around the point where everyone else has to make concessions, though. I don't care that they're removing snacktime, whatever that's fine, eat during lunch. I do think it's (as I mentioned before) almost irresponsible to expose a hugely allergic child to an environment which tends to be saturated with food, most of which has come into contact with peanuts in some way.

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Could still be a varying level of allergy. Not bringing peanuts is the base thing you can do to help reduce the chances of it happening. Bringing them doesn't magically make the kid sick, least most of the time.

Also this generation of kids wasn't "tempered in raw shit" like most of us were. I'm sure the over use of antibactirial products didn't help either.

And people mock those who crafted with lead.

She should probably just die if she can't enjoy peanut and peanut related products anyways.

How about the state pays for a private tutor?

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I don't think we ever even had snacktime during school. Maybe parents should just live with it. The kids can wait till lunch for their processed sugars and salts.

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I think the truth is that the peanut girl's parents are overprotective hypochondriacs and should be left on a small forested island with a crate of weapons, a pack of wolves, and Usd.



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Unreasonable accomodation is unreasonable

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

What if your armchair medical diagnosis is wrong and the child will literally die if she's given peanuts? I used to hang out with a girl who was deathly allergic to peanuts, enough to the point where she was hospitalized whenever she ate some. Someone brought up the point (I forget who and I'm not looking back) about all it takes is one mistake to kill the kid.

Also, why haven't any of you considered that if the kid eats peanuts and dies at schools, the school would get a shitton of fallout (both legally and from the community)?

The parents who's child has a legitimate medical illness actually have a reason to be pissed and a reason to ban snacktime, as opposed to the parents who are bitching because their kids can't eat Oreos during school, only to have them piss and moan about childhood obesity months or years down the road.

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Peanut allergy is fairly common. My best friend as a small child had a severe peanut allergy. I spent a lot of time with him and went to a lot of restaurants. I remember we frequently went to a Chinese restaurant and I messily ate kung pao chicken and other dishes with lots of peanuts and he didn't keel over. I don't doubt this child will become seriously ill or die if she ingests even traces of peanuts, but the concerns of her parents are unreal.

Why would this individual be singularly exceptional? How would they even know?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Its not like people with peanut allergies keel over when they get near the stuff like some sort of natural restraining order. The fact of the matter is that:

a) Parents can't be (and shouldn't be) fucked to analyze every single thing they want to send to school with their kid because of the allergy (because kids share things and not like they know any better).
b) Teachers shouldn't be bothered to screen everything and what are they supposed to do, yank snacks away from kids that accidentally bring peanuts to school?

Also, things like peanut allergies are discovered when kids eat things like peanuts, have their throat close up, and they almost die in an ambulance blitz to the emergency room. I'm pretty sure that peanuts can't be tested like animal hair or pollen (where they take animal dander/pollen and inject it under your skin to see if it swells, iirc).

Since you can't count on the kids to be 100% aware of what they're eating (fuck, most adults don't even know), you either have to create some sort of bureaucratic nightmare where snacks are heavily regulated and strictly enforced (not to mention the man hours and paperwork of liability slips, screening the snacks, etc) or you simply get rid of the 5-10 minute diversion and teach an extra couple letters as opposed to stuffing faces.

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Actually, they can. The law is, food products that contain peanuts must be so marked, for this very reason.

To do so is part of the responsibility that comes with raising a child with this particular disability. It is in childhood a child should learn to be mindful of his difficulties, whether it's a physical handicap, an allergy, whatever, and take the appropriate precautions. This is something all normal kids with allergies learn to do.

As I said, peanut allergy is fairly common but this child's parents are alone in totally disrupting the lives of everyone around them.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Bear with me. I am on my cell since my son broke our netbook...

Tuhl, a peanut allergy can be detected with a RAST test (like a blood test) or a skin prick test. The thing about peanut allergies is while they are becoming relativley more common, how severe the allergy is can vary greatly. People can also outgrow the allergy, or it can lessen over time. My best friend is allergic to legumes. In elementary school he sat at a table by himself in the library to eat his packed lunch. Back then it was normal for us to wash our hands before going back to class. (And maybe grabbing a drink at the drinking fountain!) Who knew we were ahead of the curve? Eating by himself was pretty tough on him. He is only moderately allergic.

Really, the requests aren't outlandish. There are a lot of peanut-free schools due to how common the allergy is becoming. It makes sense. Small children do not often have the ability to discern what does or doesn't contain peanuts. There are not enough adults to make sure an older kid doesn't give a younger child part of his granola bar. Oh well. There are other (much healthier) snacks they can be fed. Apples, carrots, oranges, bananas, etc. There are even peanut butter substitutes that are amazingly yummy, like sunflower seed butter or apple butter. (There are soooo many out there)

The outrage over handwashing had me chuckling. My kids wash their hands all the time. Before lunch and after any meal or snack, and at other random times of the day. Frequent handwashing can be good (as long as it isn't antibac soap) as it helps to combat the spread of bacteria. Kids should be washing their hands! And it doesn't take 30 minutes to have kids wash their hands and rinse their mouth out. Our children's preschool does something similar (purely for hygeinic reasons) and it takes them about 5 minutes to get the entire classroom done. The time element is being grossly inflated.

None of my children suffer from a life-threatening allergy, but if they encounter a child with that sort of issue I will do what I can to protect the child. I try to put myself in that parent's shoes. I guess I don't see how anyone can put the right to a pb&j sandwhich over the life of a child. It is pretty ridiculous.

Callysta of Reverence

This is very wrong because while incidental sickness is highly unlikely to kill or cause serious illness to a child, excessive cleanliness/lack of exposure to bacteria weakens the immune system and ensures the child will get sick much more often as an adult.

Children are naturally disgusting by design for a very good reason.

Dirt and bugs from other naturally disgusting kids will not kill a non-compromised child. Later in life, an opportunistic infection that an adult with a stronger immune system would survive could well prove lethal to an individual who was a victim of overprotectiveness as a child.

Also, the only reason for frequent handwashing WITHOUT antibacterial soap is hypochondria. Water is sticky, and all organisms need water to live. Sinks, even if they appear clean, are cesspools of disease. If you are not using antibacterial soap, all you are doing is exposing yourself to bugs, providing the bugs with a means of adhering to your hands, and with what they need to live, picking up whatever bugs whoever else used the sink had, and dropping your own off in turn.

If you want to clean your hands in a meaningful and effective way, either use antibacterial soap, or just DRY your hands without washing them.

Anyway, back to the topic, if these parents want a "peanut free environment" it is for them to have their child sent to one. It is not for other parents to suffer their compulsive behavior. Azelma is right on that this entitlement BS is bringing down this country and creating a generation of weaklings.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I'm with Aestu and Eturnal and Azelma and company on this one. Just seems like more liberal bullshit to me..and I'm pretty liberal in many ways. You never hear conservatives introducing retarded legislation requiring everyone to appease the minorities at the cost of the liberties of the majority.

I use the term legislate loosely, to include creation of rules and policies..and not strictly limited to legality.

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Corporations, the religious, and those with abundant disposable income who do not need social support are "minorities".

A lot of American so-called "conservatives" have an "what is mine is mine, and what is yours is yours" attitude that translates into ridiculous entitlement.

Case in point: Nancy Reagan. Stem cell research is evil until Ronnie gets Alzheimers. Legislation follows personal whim.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.