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This is not a good long-term solution, and the only reason people won't admit that is because a) legality and b) we're a nation of pussies now who give too much of a fuck about people's feelings and don't care enough about consequences.

This child has a serious, life-threatening issue. Harsh as it may sound, they need to learn how to live with that impairment in a real-world setting, without expecting the added protection provided by the actions of others. If this child continues to learn in an environment where the real-world risk of their condition is minimized, they're going to become accustomed to that level of risk and be ill-prepared to enter the world post-schooling. When this child grows up, are going to mandate that people who may randomly run across them on the street make sure to wash their hands and face and brush their teeth after they eat? That's not going to happen.

Secondly, this is going to have negative social implications, because the message that is being communicated to the other children, whether you care to admit it or not, is that this child is more special than you and you need to do special things for them. That's going to cause resentment...on top of their social interactions already being limited by their condition.

Third, what about other children in that child's class that may have a sensitivity to frequent hand-washing? Now that I'm back to working with food again, I have to lotion up a few times a day because the constant hand-washing makes my skin crack.

It's sad that this child has this condition, and it has to be hard on them and their family. Just because I empathize and feel bad for their situation doesn't mean other people should have to jump through hoops like trained circus animals for them. Instead of making demands of others, and not properly preparing this child for the minefield their life is going to be, they should have the child's teacher trained and supplies on hand in case of an incident, or have a medical professional on hand. I'm sure hand-washing is the cheaper of the two solutions, but as much as I like cheaper it's not the right solution.

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You're misrepresenting the situation - "did you watch the video"? What they are asking is more than just handwashing. Besides the logistical burden of having 30 kids wash their hands at two sinks twice a day, they also said they wanted them to wash out their mouths and to refrain from any snacks in the classroom. None of which is even necessary.



You are drawing a false dichotomy between extremes - either everyone whom this girl associates with conform to her parents' most outrageous, unscientific whims, or we leave her to the wolves. The distinction is not black and white.

To strike a balance between the needs of the individual and that of society is a dilemma that is not unique to the disabled. It is the human condition.

No disabled person is being done a good turn by allowing their condition to define their life. There's a fine line between "accommodation" and treating this person like they have leprosy.

Do you think this girl - anyone - is better off for the social implications of excessive care?

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They have to wipe their mouth, that is the only other thing besides the handwashing. I never had snacks in my class when I was growing up. I guess I better go back and picket the school because they clearly impeded on my rights.



Funny you should say that, the counter-argument seems to be "Be normal of get out of the classroom", seems rather black and white to me.



Handwashing, Wiping the mouth = treating someone like they have leprosy. Ya know Aestu, things aren't always black and white.



Do you think making kids wash their hands twice a day is excessive care?

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I am pretty much on the same page as Jubber. Even with all the hand washing and mouth wiping this girl is at serious risk by going to a school. What if a kid had a granola bar for breakfast and wipes his mouth with his shirt after finishing AT HOME. Or ate anything using peanut products AT HOME and it somehow gets onto that child's clothes, backpack, etc. From the information we are basing all these other rules on that little girl with the allergy is in pretty serious danger. And remember, these are elementary school kids so they prolly won't always have it at the front of their mind to take precautions like those. You can pretty much bet that if anything happens to that girl while she is at school the parents are gonna be in front of every news camera they can find blaming the school even though they are apparently doing the best they can prevent any incidents.

Home schooling would probably be the best choice in this situation. It is the route i would go if my daughter had an allergy as severe as the one being described here. I would want her to be as safe as possible in an environment I have the most control over.

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Instead of making a new thread I'm going to post this here. I don't see any problems at all except for the weirdo parking in cul-de-sac instead of along the side. When the dumb chick in the sweater shows up prepare for rage.

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You're still missing the point. It's not the action, it's the number of actors you need to take the action, and the age/maturity level of those actors. The action could be tying their shoes (which every parent obviously teaches their kid to do and makes sure they do every morning), but tell me you don't see kids running around with their shoes untied and not bothering to tie them again. If your solution to a serious problem relies on the cooperation of a lot of children, it's an inelegant solution to say the least.

The phrase "herding cats" comes to mind.






This is, easily, the best solution. Assuming the problem is bad enough to merit a change in environment, you don't try to change the environment the kid is already in, you change which environment the kid is in. It's just simpler and less prone to going wrong.

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i have a death-inducing allergy to morphine and aspirin. i'm also a nurse and touch that shit every day. guess what i do? i manned the fuck up and carry an Epi-Pen with me everywhere i go. i don't make all the other nurses wash twice a day before they give me handjobs in the comatose patient rooms.

My condolences. If you're out of the whole opium family, you should just give me your prescriptions.

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Now where the fuck are you stationed. Last I saw was the post about them shipping you to a new pile of shit and sand right around the time you were suppose to ship out but I never saw a new address. I am sure it is mired in the pile of Charlie Sheen jokes that fill the forums but I could not find it in a quick search.

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I dont know why im so angry about that basketball goal

Because whatever the story - that's bullshit. If I own a home and want to put a basketball hoop in front of it, I will fucking do it. Fuck the government.

not to mention the damn thing had been there 60 years, how is it a problem now?

It's not the government that actioned the hoop - it's the homeowner's association, which is a non-governmental entity and therefore does not need to obey due process in its internal workings. Apparently they fear that the hoops drop land value, although I think the real motivation is pure power-tripping and killjoy.

Reading more about hoops, property values and homeowner's associations makes me very angry because I am a person who values the freedom to go about my personal business as I please within the framework of law (and am often victimized for doing so).

In my sophomore year of college, I ran an eBay business from my dorm room. I was told that I "couldn't run a business from my dorm room". In reality, the fat, ugly, power-tripping woman who ran the dorms was just jealous of my youth and energy - we had this really bizarre dialogue in which she kept saying, "I know you have a wry sense of humor, Ethan" in an almost plaintive tone. I overheard her saying to a colleague (she was unaware I was eavesdropping around) that because I "insulted her grammar" during a dispute about this issue when she wrote a public memo in non-rational English intended to make me look bad without making specific allegations (hence the non-rational syntax), she intended to stop delivering my mail.

The dispute went on and on for a few months and was a major contributor to my having a nervous breakdown shortly after. My parents aggravated the issue by second-guessing my actions and motivations and taking actions without informing me, and by playing her game rather than taking a harder line.

I need to buy this guy's book.

The basic theme is obvious - how do you undermine the homeowners' association's power base? I think the key is the connection between individuals and the organization - it is necessary to disassociate one from the other. The way I would do that, if that were me, is by threatening to bury them in paper and ruin their lives, and then do it - send letters to anyone who might be interested, sue them in every court in the land, complain to every regulatory agency about everything that might be wrong (even speciously), and otherwise damage their reputation.

The key, I think, would be to make it so they couldn't use money from the homeowner's association to pay their legal bills. Probably that could be accomplished by some sort of injunction, maybe by going about it indirectly, by alleging accounting irregularities. Another thing that could be done is to disassociate oneself from the struggle - perhaps host a street basketball party anonymously and bring in people from outside the neighborhood by offering free food and drinks. When the homeowner's association tries to remove them, entrap. Something like that.

The problem with all this is that it would take time, energy, and fortitude. But then again freedom is not free.

You need to understand - being eccentric, I've had a life characterized by antagonism, so waging wars to protect my right to do as I please is a familiar thing to me.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.