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 Post subject: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:25 pm  
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So says a child prodigy. Expanded Theory of Relativity and potential original explanation of origin incoming.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/26/12- ... elativity/

http://www.indystar.com/article/2011032 ... ying-IUPUI

Seems like once or twice a century the world bears witness to the kind of genius that can bridge multiple disciplines and leap science forward dramatically. Perhaps he's the next...
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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:43 pm  
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That's why there's no such thing as 'laws' anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:27 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:06 pm  
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I imagine this is just hokem science journalism. Proved wrong probably means improved upon, which is nothing outrageous... why would he expand it to prove it wrong? How could you prove it "wrong" when it's been experimentally validated for almost a century? Sure, he could have a new insight into the theory that would make it better, or account for variables that Einstein didn't account for (of which there are plenty, there has been a lot of science since then).

Sensationalist science journalism makes me laugh.

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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:24 pm  
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Granted, which is why I said it the way I did and wondered out loud if he is the next to push us forward.

I just find the evolution of human knowledge fascinating. Statistically speaking nobody on these boards is going to contribute anything of historical significance, and of the smartest people we collectively ever knew only a handful will have one, maybe two if theyre amazing, significant discoveries or achievements.

For the rest, the imprint is fleeting, surviving family and friends but unlikely further.

And then comes along someone like Galileo, Newton, Einstein... and they rock the world, while the rest scrambles to preserve as much of the flash in the pan that is their life for future generations.
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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:18 pm  
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Big bang theory hasn't been "experimentally validated" (evidence that the universe is expanding is present but attributing that expansion specifically to the big bang is merely one interpretation of the data).

Still, this seems to be sensationalist journalism. It doesn't matter, really, because such questions have little relevance.


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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:03 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Big bang theory hasn't been "experimentally validated" (evidence that the universe is expanding is present but attributing that expansion specifically to the big bang is merely one interpretation of the data).

Still, this seems to be sensationalist journalism. It doesn't matter, really, because such questions have little relevance.



I said relativity has been experimentally validated (both special and general relativity), and it has also been tweaked over the years.

And while there are several different versions of what could be called big bang theories, there are shared assertions between them, especially among expansionist theories, that have held up under experiment and observation.

None of them are near being entirely validated though, but that's well accepted. However, such questions do have incredible relevance, because a lot of the mysteries of the current universe are deeply hinged on the conditions at the beginning. Postulations about the "big bang" have led to theories about Higgs fields, why we see constant cosmic temperatures in the background radiation, and have also predicted deeper symmetries between basic particles (some of which seem to be well founded, some which have been sent back to the drawing board). Our explanation for increasing entropy as time moves forward is reliant on the conditions at the start as well.

To put the question in perspective, a century ago when Einstein was developing general relativity you might thought that it was irrelevant to us, as we can't move at speeds great enough to see it's hypotheses in action, or experienced changes in gravity strong enough, being bound to Earth. But not only would our space program not really exist without it, even things such as your common GPS would fail without it. You can't ever tell what relevance a scientific theory will have tomorrow.


As for this kid, I hope he does have some genius insight, it never hurts to push things forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:40 pm  
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I love science. I love history. I loved the part in history where everyone who knew the world was flat was blown away by those who believed otherwise finally proved it.

I loved the part where people found out the sun didn't revolve around the earth. Can't wait to see when we find out more and more and more and more new stuff where were people were like "but we knew frownface"


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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
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You would think that a reporter talking to IAS (!) faculty members, there would be a mention to put that fucking shit on paper somewhere (e.g. PDF). I'm not watching a video about math.

I hope it isn't, but this reaks of hyped-up media bullshit.
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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:43 am  
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I really wish I could have seen the then-Pope's face when geocentricism was debunked.


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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
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Joklem wrote:
You would think that a reporter talking to IAS (!) faculty members, there would be a mention to put that fucking shit on paper somewhere (e.g. PDF). I'm not watching a video about math.

I hope it isn't, but this reaks of hyped-up media bullshit.


I didn't watch the video either, but I'm going to make a mildly educated guess and say that perhaps the kid had some novel insight into either inflationary or cyclic cosmology, based on the fact that they are claiming he "debunked" the big bang.

Maybe he discovered the big splat.

Edit: Actually, rereading the article, it sounds like he is only catching up to inflationary or cyclic cosmology... perhaps he'll have some insights, but I didn't really see anything that seemed too remarkably new.

To those who don't know, the big bang being an explosion is kind of outdated already. Inflationary cosmology has to do with a supercooled Higgs field causing, for a very brief period, conditions that turned gravity repulsive and made space blow up like a balloon, then slow down, then start to speed up again. That burst of inflation is the "bang". And cyclic cosmology has to do with the "bang" being two universes going through a cycle of bouncing off each other, with the collision causing the "bang" and the recoil period being the expansion and settling of the universe, only to collide again and start over. But in neither of these theories is the bang the actual start of the universe, just the start of the *known* universe... and neither of them are thorough enough to put an absolute age on the universe. I think current inflationary theory has it at 14 billion years? But that's based on a lot of unproven hypotheses.


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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:27 am  
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Hmm last I checked it was just energy density/quantum fluctuations (also known as "nothing, but nothing isn't nothing anymore in physics") <-EVENT HORIZON--------PARTICLE HORIZON-> inflationary period through scalar fields (much like the Higgs field) for N>=60 e-folds -> inflation ends when equation parameters (phi) oscillates around energy density (V(phi)) (or "potential") quantum fluctuations inside of "patches" of scalar fields freeze in, (these are the problems (observations) this theory attempts to fix--->)the result is a vastly inflated universe that is mostly uniform and flat in geometry due to the curvature term being negligible -> reheating // creating entropy from energy density dumping into other fields and particles --> universe evolves into a radiation dominated friedmann-walker-robertson metric universe (a.k.a. standard model) so on and so forth.

Net energy then = 0; Net energy now = 0

The only problem I have with that is that inflation is a mathematical construct that IS solid, but it's untestable. Then again, I wouldn't expect being able to test this kind of equation - so I guess we're stuck with "what theory can predict everything?" And right now inflation does it well. It's also flexible, so parameters can be changed to fit observation and experiment.

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Notes on inflation
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~dh ... notes7.pdf
On the zero-energy universe
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0605/0605063v3.pdf
The return of a static universe and the end of cosmology
http://www.springerlink.com/content/c6r ... lltext.pdf
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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:44 am  
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Joklem wrote:
Hmm last I checked it was just energy density/quantum fluctuations (also known as "nothing, but nothing isn't nothing anymore in physics") <-EVENT HORIZON--------PARTICLE HORIZON-> inflationary period through scalar fields (much like the Higgs field) for N>=60 e-folds -> inflation ends when equation parameters (phi) oscillates around energy density (V(phi)) (or "potential") quantum fluctuations inside of "patches" of scalar fields freeze in, (these are the problems (observations) this theory attempts to fix--->)the result is a vastly inflated universe that is mostly uniform and flat in geometry due to the curvature term being negligible -> reheating // creating entropy from energy density dumping into other fields and particles --> universe evolves into a radiation dominated friedmann-walker-robertson metric universe (a.k.a. standard model) so on and so forth.

Net energy then = 0; Net energy now = 0

The only problem I have with that is that inflation is a mathematical construct that IS solid, but it's untestable. Then again, I wouldn't expect being able to test this kind of equation - so I guess we're stuck with "what theory can predict everything?" And right now inflation does it well. It's also flexible, so parameters can be changed to fit observation and experiment.

Edit:Some reading-
Notes on inflation
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~dh ... notes7.pdf
On the zero-energy universe
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0605/0605063v3.pdf
The return of a static universe and the end of cosmology
http://www.springerlink.com/content/c6r ... lltext.pdf


That's basically what I said, but I said it in english (albeit probably with some liberties to make it make sense).


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 Post subject: Re: Big bang debunked
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