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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:55 pm  
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yeah that's dumb. not like that around here thank god


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:00 pm  
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Azelma - The Iraq withdrawal, under Obama's administration, followed the plan that Bush and Al-Maliki had drafted up during the Bush Administration. I recall Obama having an issue with this plan during the Bush administration, but it appears that things were fine afterall. The credit for this move should be split - Bush for the planning and Obama for following through with the plan.

As far as the Arizona Law, if I recall correctly, wasn't it amended to force authorities to check the status of all persons who commit a crime regardless of nationality or appearance? I thought that was changed to stop the cries over abuse and discrimination. Frankly, if the officers treated every stop (for any and all stops) with the same way then there is no discrimination -- catch the illegals and process them appropriately. They are here illegally, after all.
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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:31 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
For the record, while I don't appreciate how we got to the status-quo concerning abortion (it was something should have been decided legislatively and not judicially), I think the status-quo is good. Abortion is fucking terrible, but in a lot of cases it's the least of all possible evils.

For the record, I'm not a fan that people who are supposed to be against government control of your lives (I mean hell, making it so people could afford health insurance was the same as facisociacommunism) are 100% fine with the government telling people what to do with their own uterus and I also don't appreciate how many people against abortion are entirely against organizations like Planned Parenthood and tax cuts/welfare to help out the lower-class mothers that they just forced to have a baby they can't afford since there's no reliable way to get an abortion near them.

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As far as the Arizona Law, if I recall correctly, wasn't it amended to force authorities to check the status of all persons who commit a crime regardless of nationality or appearance? I thought that was changed to stop the cries over abuse and discrimination

This is the first time I've ever heard anything like this and I suppose this makes it better but in all honesty, how many white people you think are going to get asked if they're legal citizens of the states?

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They are here illegally, after all.

They're here illegally because they're able to find jobs from corporations and small businesses who will employ them for next to nothing because if they start bitching, someone can just call the INS on them.

Its ridiculous to go after the people hiring them, however. Its sort of like how we're eliminating piracy by hunting down individual torrents instead of changing the markets that perpetuate pirating and how the cigarette industry got crippled because people sued smokers as opposed to the cigarette producers.

EDIT: This is also assuming that illegals are a bad thing, considering they're what's keeping the prices of lots of goods and services retardedly low.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:41 pm  
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This is the first time I've ever heard anything like this and I suppose this makes it better but in all honesty, how many white people you think are going to get asked if they're legal citizens of the states?


Simply running the person's ID through the system is enough for that. assuming they're of age to have an ID. its not hard to find out who someone is, especially if they're on the grid(as are most legal citizens)


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:47 pm  
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They are here illegally, after all.

They're here illegally because they're able to find jobs from corporations and small businesses who will employ them for next to nothing because if they start bitching, someone can just call the INS on them.

Pardon me for a moment while I pull a Mayo... but it's ok if I break a law... like murdering a classroom full of children... because I need their lunch money because I'm poor. As long as the reasoning behind the crime has a 'feel good vibe', like the poor man trying to provide for his family of 17 kids, then it's all good?

(Or a criminal is a criminal, regardless of the crime or reasoning behind the crime.)
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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Pardon me for a moment while I pull a Mayo... but it's ok if I break a law... like murdering a classroom full of children... because I need their lunch money because I'm poor. As long as the reasoning behind the crime has a 'feel good vibe', like the poor man trying to provide for his family of 17 kids, then it's all good?

(Or a criminal is a criminal, regardless of the crime or reasoning behind the crime.)


Wow, I don't think it is possible for you to have more completely missed the point.

He never said they weren't illegal (he specifically said illegally), he was saying that it makes no sense to go after the small potatoes when you need to stop the farmer.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
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Dvergar wrote:
Wow, I don't think it is possible for you to have more completely missed the point.

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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:23 pm  
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Mayo's comment was relevant to the immigrant conversation, I assumed your mayo comment was the gross exaggeration you made.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:18 pm  
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Mns wrote:
For the record, I'm not a fan that people who are supposed to be against government control of your lives (I mean hell, making it so people could afford health insurance was the same as facisociacommunism) are 100% fine with the government telling people what to do with their own uterus and I also don't appreciate how many people against abortion are entirely against organizations like Planned Parenthood and tax cuts/welfare to help out the lower-class mothers that they just forced to have a baby they can't afford since there's no reliable way to get an abortion near them.


This, this, and fucking this.

IIRC, it was the republicans' views on abortion and stem cell research that started me down the liberal path (more like threw me off the cliff, actually).

Allow me to offer a conservative's response, or "pull an eturnal" if you will - fuck you, got mine.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
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In what Mayo said that Fant quoted -

That's why I employ what I like to call the Carlin Rule.

"If it isn't consistent, it's bullshit."


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:44 pm  
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no


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:48 am  
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Azelma wrote:
Rathmoon wrote:
"60% of U.S. Military Deaths in Afghanistan Have Occurred Since Obama Was Inaugurated in 2009"

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/60-us-m ... tan-have-o


I'm no Obama pumper but I feel like that's a misleading stat.


I don't think it's misleading because it is a fact.

Maybe this sounds better: More troops have died in Afghanistan in Obama's 2 years than in Bush's 8.

The point was, we got more o' the same. I wish I could lulz at that, but really it's just sad and expected. We should start electing presidents again instead of empire managers.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
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your faith in being able to change the system is adorable.


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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:06 am  
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Mns wrote:
Jubbergun wrote:
For the record, while I don't appreciate how we got to the status-quo concerning abortion (it was something should have been decided legislatively and not judicially), I think the status-quo is good. Abortion is fucking terrible, but in a lot of cases it's the least of all possible evils.

For the record, I'm not a fan that people who are supposed to be against government control of your lives (I mean hell, making it so people could afford health insurance was the same as facisociacommunism) are 100% fine with the government telling people what to do with their own uterus and I also don't appreciate how many people against abortion are entirely against organizations like Planned Parenthood and tax cuts/welfare to help out the lower-class mothers that they just forced to have a baby they can't afford since there's no reliable way to get an abortion near them.


That is the most amazing run-on sentence I have ever seen. It made me think:
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I don't think the government should be telling people what to do with their uterus. I'm pretty sure I said that...oh, yeah, I did, you quoted it.

Part of controlling your own life instead of the government controlling it for you is taking responsibility for your own life. When you say "making it so people could afford health insurance," they weren't just waving a magic wand and creating a whole new reality where unicorns farted rainbows at kittens. The health care "reform" sewage myself and others opposed didn't do anything more than make healthcare more confusing, and I think that was on purpose. There is too much "sleight of hand" in government accounting, too many shifted funds and pay-offs to lobbies. So many of you complain about "corporate interests," but miss how the bill gave huge chunks of money to AT&T, Verizon, the UAW, and GE (among others) to subsidize the cost of healthcare for their employees. If that was so important, why did it only happen for a few companies? Why did it happen for any companies? When some of you finally do realize what a charade the whole thing is, you're just going to shrug and say, "well, it's better than nothing." They aren't going to fix what's broken about it later, either. They'll just do as they did this time, make a lot of noise and gin up worry about the state of healthcare to cover their ass so that they can go back in, pay off some more cronies, and make the mess even bigger.

And you know, I don't give a fuck how goddamn poor you are, you do have a choice about whether or not to get knocked up. Being poor doesn't stop you from getting and using birth control, which is pretty fucking cheap, especially compared to either an abortion, or even more expensive, raising a child. You want to point fingers and give us platitudes about accountability, why don't you make the hard choice and expect some accountability from those poor, put-upon, downtrodden wretches instead of being another enabler. You talk as if those people are only where they're at because somehow the people at the top are leeching off of them (and just how the fuck do you steal from people who don't have shit, answer me that, Batman?), but you never give pause to consider that maybe they should be more worried about their basic concerns than they are about $500 sneakers, cellphones, big screen TVs, game systems, etc. I don't even need your answer, because I see the reality. You can't say anything about those people taking responsibility for themselves because if you did, it would show that you don't "care," and it doesn't matter that the philosophy and policy you follow mires those people in a hell of bad decision-making and lives of misery, because the consequences don't matter so long as everyone knows how goddamn big your heart is and how much you, unlike those evil conservative/republicans/whatever, care. It doesn't matter what sort of suffering your idiocy causes so long as you feel good about yourself and don't have to see it.

Planned Parenthood is a private organization, and if everyone who caaaaaaareeeees as much as do you put their money where their mouth is, it wouldn't need government funding. Just more proof that it's easier to spout empty platitudes and expect everyone else to do the heavy lifting than it is to walk the walk that goes with the talk.

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 Post subject: Re: Labels, Liberals and Conservatives
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Find thread about labels and stereotyping.

Decry labels and stereotyping.

Post rant filled with stereotyping.



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