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He's already a martyr for their cause. Showing the picture won't make it any worse.

So do you believe he is dead? If not, you are crazy. If so, there is no need for a picture to be released. I was pulling for him to not release photos before he made his decision.

To those who believe Osama bin laden is dead, no proof is necessary, to those that do not believe Osama is dead, no proof is possible.

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I don't have pictures of your great grandparents rotting in the ground. For all I know, they're still zoomin around too.

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In the same paragraph you complain because you shouldn't burn a Quran, and then claim we're such a religiously tolerant nation.

There's a cost to being a moral superior country. Part of that is realizing it's not worth stirring shit up with nothing to gain. It's even less worth it when stirring shit up leads to DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS. Apparently you don't give two shits, it's more important to you that we really rub this in their noses, and if someone doesn't want to run the risk of further deaths, you claim they're pussifying America? You threw a bitchfit when I suggested that a few American losses were acceptable to stop a genocide, but now you think a few American losses are acceptable for no benefit.

This isn't just about angering muslims, because muslims won't be upset about this (Thanks for lumping all muslims in with terrorists through Jubber). If the wars ended years ago and we weren't deployed to some of these countries than fuck it, show the picture. We're not talking about people seeing the picture, getting riled up, then planning some big thing. All they need to do (some of them) is walk a couple blocks to a US compound, or wait until a partol/convoy passes.




Yes it was.

Dvergar /
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If the picture's release could cause even one casualty I vote no. Not worth it, there will be nay-sayers no matter what so there's really no point. If you are arguing for it without considering that there could be even more consequences, then you are just being selfish.

The whole out-of-sight-out-of-mind thing rings a bell.

EDIT: To avoid "pussification" should never, ever, EVER be a reason to do anything. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. How is that even an argument? What idiot thinks that stopping a fire (or making it a smaller fire) before it starts is a bad thing? What, think you're some hard-ass because you think you can handle a bigger fire? Grow up for fuck's sake.

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So everyone dancing in the streets after 9/11 was a terrorist?

It's a clash of cultures. That's not racism.

I'm not saying you can't burn a Quran, Bible or anything else. It's an expression and I think you can do what you want with your book/possessions. If I want to burn my Quran that doesn't give Muhammed Muhammed the right to go destroy someone elses property or kill people. There is a big difference. I hope you see it.


Let me get this straight. The world is supposed to just 'believe' that OBL is dead without any images to prove the governments claim. An absence of, at the very least, photographic evidence is good enough to prove that Osama bin Laden is dead. If the absence of evidence is enough proof of a dead man then why do you think the same absence of evidence is enough to not encite riots over a dead man? My point is this - They're going to rage, regardless, if we show the picture or not. Before the assassination of Osama bin Laden, patrols, convoys and bases set up in the middle east have been targeted by Islamic extremists. A friend of mine (retired Gunnery Sergeant) has been in many wars and in his post military career would often get deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan by my old company. He's had no shortage of stories where in the dead of night he'd hear mortars firing off and landing near his base, or locals getting brave with the perimeter/gate guards with explosives and firearms. I'm sure Dotzilla has a couple stories of his own that he can share. Remember that they're at war with our soldiers and they've been at war with them for a long time...


As I understand it (from reading a couple websites), sea burials are allowable in very specific conditions - one being that the death occurs at sea and the vessel can't make it to land for a proper burial. In the event of a sea burial, the body should be completely protected from predators and weighted to sink to the bottom of the ocean. Normally, burials are supposed to be on land and the corpse should be buried about five or six feet deep with the head facing Mecca. A large stone or concrete object should be placed on the casket to prevent people/animals from digging up the remains.

If the concern was that people would memorialize the grave site I'd ask if the exact burial location is needed to set up any monument in memory of the dead? I'd argue not - look at Washington DC; Lincoln, Jefferson, Vietnam Memorial, etc. Chances are OBL memorials will be set up all over; his compound, birthplace, hometown, etc. will likely be the place people visit to pay homage to that scum.


If someone murdered our President, as long as you didn't see a picture then it didn't happen? Would you only feel hate and rage if (and only if) you saw the picture, or would you have those feelings regardless? Also, like I said before, Americans have been attacked in the USA and Abroad by some nutty Muslims. The picture isn't going to be a giant starting-gun for the 'Race to Blow Up Americathon'


That fire has been burning for a couple decades. The picture isn't going to make the fire any smaller because we killed the leader of Al Qaeda. That's kind of a big deal...

PS: LOL @ U 4 TELIN ME 2 GRO UP BRAH GUD 1

No one said anything about a right to destroy something, there's just no gain from it.



The world does believe Bin Laden is dead. There are some in America who don't, but they're the ones who either won't believe anything Obama says, or won't believe anything the government says.

You should write a letter to the soldiers, tell them it's way more important for you to see a picture of a dead guy than it is for them to keep living. Tell them you'd rather some of them die than take the government at it's word even once, no matter how much supporting evidence there is, and even though you won't believe the picture even if you did see it. Might want to write a letter to their families too.

Oh, and that picture? It's been seen by a number of high ranking officials from both parties, so if this was one big scheme by Obama (and I know you want it to be so very, very badly), they would call him on that. What have they done? They've agreed that Osama "is not a trophy", they've agreed that Osama is dead, and many of them agreed with the decision.

Dvergar /
Quisling

There are Muslims and people living elsewhere that believe it to be false.


I'm not sure how many times I have to say this for you to understand - releasing a picture isn't going to be the reason soldiers die. Soldiers are going to die because they're at war with people who have been trying to kill them LONG before bin Laden was assassinated. Plus, why would they need a picture to go ape-shit when the assassination took place; isn't that more serious than a picture? Anyways, nice attempt to play on the heart-strings and make me look like the murderer/enemy; given the chance to talk with some of them in person I'm sure they'd agree that I'm more of an asset to them and their efforts.


Don't act like you know what I want. I wanted that fucker dead just as much as anyone else and I said I applauded the President for doing this, although a small part of be is still in disbelief (we can blame that on the last 15 years of American Presidents for being super-honest and super-trustworthy guys that have never lied to the public or jumped the gun in by releasing misinformation in an attempt to raise public opinion). Hell, ever since Monday there have been a slew of contradictory reports and opinions from the Government. Still, Osama bin Laden is sort of a trophy and if he wasn't then why all the PR and "I" and "Me" and politicizing for gain? If he wasn't a trophy then why should the president rub his nutsacks in anyones face for bringing him down? It's a big deal. If the President pulled it off then he (and Bush) deserve to enjoy the limelight and the American tax payer deserves to see the pictures since it cost billions to get them.

Edit: Going to bed. G'night.

Right, just like the burning of the Quran had nothing to do with the sudden spike in casualties, the military commanders obviously didn't know what they were talking about.



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Obviously some no-name coffee-getter should have announced that Osama was dead. No other information should have been released about what happened so they're not 'politicizing' it. "Wah wah wah not enough information, wah wah wah he's talking about what happened". Tell me, after you hear the name Obama do you have to use one of those inflatable donuts for a couple of days, or did you get used to the constant I-hate-him-no-matter-what-he-does butthurt?

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Quisling

Like I said, if it would risk even ONE life I'd vote no on the pictures. Who's to say that news of his death won't be the tipping point to some kid in this country just waiting for a reason to make a bomb and blow it up on a crowded street? You'd risk that for some stupid pictures that will do absolutely nothing positive for anyone? Forget soldiers at war, what about us here at home?

This is what I imagine you look like while trying to argue your really silly stance:


okay listen, I like you, but seriously, why do you want to see the pictures? Is it that you simply won't believe Obama? Because if that's the case, he's shown the evidence to some republicans who have confirmed it. And you said you want to destroy their ideology? Well, let's start by giving them one less recruitment tool and show potential terrorists that we can take the moral high ground and that we are better people.

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I like how the people saying that we dont need proof OBL is dead are the same ones who flipped when we got no proof of WMD's in Iraq.

I don't see how people are going to go apeshit over a picture that wouldn't already be going apeshit over the fact that he's dead.

I know you aren't really this dumb. Take a second before you compare two things, ask yourself; Are these two things on the same scope? Is it fair to make this comparison?

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/facepalm

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