Fantastique wrote:
okay listen, I like you, but seriously, why do you want to see the pictures? Is it that you simply won't believe Obama? Because if that's the case, he's shown the evidence to some republicans who have confirmed it. And you said you want to destroy their ideology? Well, let's start by giving them one less recruitment tool and show potential terrorists that we can take the moral high ground and that we are better people.
1) Pictures were shown to Republican leaders and while some say to not release the pictures, others say they should be released. I'm not sure why one opinion has more weight than the other. Also, some Congressmen that initially spoke on the pictures (which were obtained by staffers who received them from what was believed to be credible sources) said that they saw fraudulent images.
2) The kill count I read about was four men (Osama bin Laden, Osama's Son, Osama's courier and the couriers brother) and a woman. An early report that I read stated that the entire raid (including sweep and extraction) lasted 40 minutes. When it was over, allegedly two men were removed from the scene; Osama bin Laden and his son. Reuters released pictures yesterday showing three dead men. The pictures were apparently taken about an hour after the raid. If four men were killed, if two were evacuated, then why are there three dead men? Perhaps the Pakistani official that sold Reuters the pictures is holding the OBL shot? Maybe they're not authentic? Maybe our government/media lied and gave misinformation about evacuating multiple bodies?
3) Early reports were that Osama bin Laden was armed and he resisted; now that is unclear. The SEALs were told to kill him if he resisted but if he surrendered to take him into custody. Osama's sister claims the SEALs had custody of the man before they killed him. Looking at pictures and video you didn't see any weapons (except a water gun), and now reports are saying that only one of the four killed was armed; likely the courier or the courier's brother.
4) Early reports said Osama and others used women as human shields; now that is unclear.
5) We were originally told that everyone in the situation room, including Obama, watched the full raid via helmet cams mounted on the helmets of the SEALs; today, we learn that the image was out for half of the raid. It's not clear if they had audio. All they really saw was the approach.
6) Million-dollar compound turns into three-story house in middle-class neighborhood.
There was too much information that has been released and later contradicted or retracted completely and that's what I suspect drives a lot of doubt. It's not about it being Obama and it's not about him being black; it's about inconsistencies in the story. If I were to tell you one story, then change it several times throughout the week... you would start to doubt what I'm saying. What's more is the American (and world) are just told to loltrustus despite the plate of spaghetti we've been given so far. In this thread, someone mentioned the 'evidence' that we've been given but the truth is we haven't been given any evidence. No pictures. No video of the raid. No audio of the raid. No sea burial video. Nothing. If this were a courtroom the government wouldn't be able to make their case without proof the jury could see.
For what it's worth, Islamists are already saying this isn't going to change anything and Pakistani's are protesting against the US, saying killing Osama is only going to make more Osama's. Also, they're heading to his house where he was killed to pay respects of their 'hero'... GOOD THING WE DIDN'T RELEASE THAT PICTURE BECAUSE IF WE DID WHAT'S HAPPENING WOULD HAPPEN OMG... Like I've been saying, they're going to be outraged over the assassination; not the picture.
