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No, that's clear. I just don't want you to think that by protesting Aestu's genocide plan I was endorsing their treatment of women.

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris

Oh thats fair. I dont think he was advocating that particular option, even though he may feel that way. it looked like he was just listing ways to win wars(or at least ways America has tried to win wars.)

still, if the egypt and libya and other places end up going well in the way of womens rights, it'll be a whole new middle east within 50 years.

Are people here really saying we should try to impose the idea of women's rights on these people? This is the kind of shit that pisses the terrorist groups off in the first place. What we need to do is leave these people the fuck alone. They are seriously tired of us white ass holes being up in their business because we think it's our place. IT ISN'T!!! The United States should try to fix the United States before we try to worry about anyone else. Our foreign policy should be more of "we will help you if we get an overwhelming demand from your nation as a whole" opposed to "they aren't like us, we better do everything possible to change this".

[13:56:01] [W From] [Slimecrack]: I just wanted to tell your brown that when I look into its one brown eye, I see joy and love, thank god for your ass, PRAISE JESUS!

No, it was definitely bad policy. The government shouldn't be picking winners and losers. Some businesses failing, even national giants like GM, is part of the correction the economy goes through after a down-turn. We weaken our overall economy by stepping in and saving businesses that are naturally failing at the expense of businesses that aren't. I was just pointing out the difference and explaining how Obama's guidance of bailout matters post-Bush has stuck him with blame for both his own stimulus and the bailouts under Bush.

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This.

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If we leave the middle east alone the extremists will be peaceful again.

No, I'm saying that they do not deserve respect. I don't think we should change their views on women's rights for the sake of doing so.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

If we would have left well enough alone to begin with we wouldn't be so high on their shit list. It's like a kid going to high school A decides that all the kids in high school B just aren't cool enough so he heads over there to let them know what is up. The bully at that school doesn't like that so while the dip shit from school A is at school B talking shit, the bully from school B goes to high school A and kicks the shit out of half the school. The kid from school A then proceeds to act shocked that this is all happening. DURP

TLDR don't throw rocks at bee hives and wonder why they tried to sting you.

[13:56:01] [W From] [Slimecrack]: I just wanted to tell your brown that when I look into its one brown eye, I see joy and love, thank god for your ass, PRAISE JESUS!

They would have hated us regardless due to our support of israel. thats the biggest bee in their bonnet.

This.

Believe me, I want our troops to be home. However, our support of Israel will continue to cause anger in the middle east. We give Israel all sorts of weapons. So when the Israeli military sends a scud missile into a building filled with civilians and on the side of the missile it says "Made in the USA"...there's a lot of anger that is directed at us.

Then stop support for Israel. Problem solved. The people they are up against have rocks to throw at their tanks, I don't think they need our support.

But this is a whole 'nother thread.

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I wish we could, but it will never happen for a number of reasons:

Many American Jews have money.
Money = Power
Therefore, many American Jews have power.
Many American Jews (with money and power) want to support Israel - so we support Israel.

and

Strategically, Israel is one of the few places in the Middle East where we can use bases and coordinate airstrikes from. That strategic position is something we don't want to give up.


Basically we are screwed when it comes to Israel. We literally cannot end support for them. So, there will always be unrest and anger from Middle Eastern/Muslim groups against us.

Haven't we also supported...
*Iraq in the Iraq/Iran war. I think we also supported Iran through some means (Intel) but I'm not 100% certain.
*Afghan Mujahideen's (OBL?) during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan
*Kuwait during the Invasion of Iraq
*Iraq and Afghanistan in rebuilding infrastructure in post-battle operations in the most recent wars
*Protests in both Egypt and Libya
*Billions in Aid to several countries in the middle east; tens and hundreds of millions to most others.

Kinda funny how Israel is the thing that ticks them off despite it all. And lol at us for talking about wanting civility from the middle east.

We've got a number of friendly air-bases around the world. Due to mid-flight refueling, we can keep bombers in the air indefinitely. We use allied airstrips not to launch bombers, but to launch cargo planes to refuel bombers we've launched from US or European bases. Missions in Iraq and Afghanistan were often refueled from bases in Turkey.



Our support of Israel happened before all the rest. It's also only an issue for certain areas, not every middle-easterner who hates America would list Israel as a chief reason. The first Iraq war a big issue as well, American troops in the 'holy land' was the biggest issue for Osama.



It's funny you talk about our past support, because if history has taught us anything, it's never trust America.

Dvergar /
Quisling

Flawed does not mean worthless. Proof that you are wrong is that other countries still freely ask America to arbitrate their problems, and hold America to a higher standard.

Name a country you think is more worthy of trust or regard than the US.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.