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 Post subject: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 7:30 pm  
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I figured some of you might enjoy this.

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http://io9.com/#!5799396/youre-living-in-a-computer-simulation-and-math-proves-it

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As a result, you have billions of simulations, with a nearly infinite number of cascading sub-simulations, all of them perfectly real to their inhabitants. Yet there is only a single ultimate progenitor society. The math is actually pretty simple: the odds are nearly infinity to one that we are all living in a computer simulation.

One very strong argument against this unsettling theory is that a computer with the computational power to accomplish this is impossible. Setting aside the fact that today's computational power surely seemed unimaginable 100 years ago, there's a more interesting solution – the computer only actively simulates what it needs to. This is something that actually happens in modern computer games, and you've seen it if you've ever moved faster than your graphics card was capable of rendering the scenery, as the trees and buildings that had previously been beyond your view were drawn on the screen before your eyes. It actually explains a few of the trickier things about quantum physics, like why particles have an indeterminate position until they're observed.

Even more disturbing, it may be a much smaller simulation that you think. There could be just a few active simulation inhabitants, with the rest of the world filled with "non-actor" or NPC characters controlled by the computer. Their actions are only simulated as you perceive them, carefully performed so as to present the illusion that they have entire lives separate from yours. This helps explain why the creepy homeless guy at the end of your street doesn't seem to do much other than hang out and ask you to bring him 10 dire wolf pelts.

If all that seems too weird, let's just kick it back to Zhuangzi. There are almost seven billion people in the world. They all sleep. They all dream. Odds are we're all just living someone else's extremely vivid dream.


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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:05 pm  
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Besides being a stupid theory, it's physically impossible because every object in the "simulation" behaves independently down to the subatomic level. Therefore, for the world as we know it to be a "simulation", the computer running it would have to be many times larger than the universe itself.

If you wanted to make the argument that the universe in which the simulation is running obeys different physical laws and therefore can bypass certain limitations on creating a computer that size and speed (including the speed of light and the sheer volume of physical materials required for its contruction) you would have to prove there is an alternative to the composition and structure of atoms as we know it. You would have to first prove that it is possible for there to be an organized universe comprised entirely of particles that are not known to us and do not exist in any form in our universe.

Still a dumb metaphysical exercise because "you can think and say whatever you want without testing it against reality".


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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 10:45 pm  
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I missed the proof somewhere in there.
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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 12:31 am  
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We all live in the simulation of a computer.

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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:56 am  
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Yea they already made a movie about this.

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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 11:44 pm  
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congrats, you solved the riddle of the sphinx, oedipus.

smbc had a bit of an amusing trend recently...

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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:49 am  
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God, like metaphysics, is a response to man's insecurities.


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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 8:43 am  
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I lol'd.

In class.

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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 8:58 am  
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Aestu wrote:
God, like metaphysics, is a response to man's insecurities.

So is thinking/pretending you know it all.
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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 11:12 am  
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Synth that was a fantastic post.



Eturnalshift wrote:
Aestu wrote:
God, like metaphysics, is a response to man's insecurities.

So is thinking/pretending you know it all.


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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 3:56 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Aestu wrote:
God, like metaphysics, is a response to man's insecurities.

So is thinking/pretending you know it all.


Doesn't make point A invalid.


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 Post subject: Re: Math & Reality
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