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Dvergar · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 10:02 am

Aestu wrote:

Flawed does not mean worthless. Proof that you are wrong is that other countries still freely ask America to arbitrate their problems, and hold America to a higher standard.

Name a country you think is more worthy of trust or regard than the US.

I never said worthless. Countries don't ask America to "arbitrate their problems" unless the problem is an invading army. If we didn't spend significantly more than anyone else on our military, countries wouldn't be asking us to protect them.

Your post does nothing to refute what you quoted, asking for help when you're being invaded only means America is a better option than being taking into the alley and shot in the head.

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 10:19 am

Dvergar wrote:

Quote:

Strategically, Israel is one of the few places in the Middle East where we can use bases and coordinate airstrikes from

We've got a number of friendly air-bases around the world. Due to mid-flight refueling, we can keep bombers in the air indefinitely. We use allied airstrips not to launch bombers, but to launch cargo planes to refuel bombers we've launched from US or European bases. Missions in Iraq and Afghanistan were often refueled from bases in Turkey.

Right - but strategically Israel's bases are still worth a lot to us is my point.

Aestu · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 1:54 pm

Dvergar wrote:

I never said worthless. Countries don't ask America to "arbitrate their problems" unless the problem is an invading army. If we didn't spend significantly more than anyone else on our military, countries wouldn't be asking us to protect them.

Your post does nothing to refute what you quoted, asking for help when you're being invaded only means America is a better option than being taking into the alley and shot in the head.

Ireland vs England.
North Korea vs South Korea.
Israelis vs Palestinians.

In all those cases, the US was called in to arbitrate for no other reason than that they were simply the most trusted party. You didn't answer my question - who do you think history teaches us to "trust" more than America?

Dvergar · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 2:35 pm

Aestu wrote:

who do you think history teaches us to "trust" more than America?

Irrelevant. A nation more worthy of trust than America proves nothing, both could be sinners or saints.

Aestu · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 3:12 pm

Nihilism is a copout.

Usdk · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 3:25 pm

America has been the front runner in this kinda shit for a long time. denying that is pretty foolish.

Dvergar · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 3:52 pm

Aestu wrote:

Nihilism is a copout.

That's some nice Cognitive Dissonance you've got there.

Yuratuhl · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 4:01 pm

What did we arbitrate between the two Koreas aside from a war?

I'd trust Canada over any other country.

Usdk · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 4:23 pm

Yuratuhl wrote:

What did we arbitrate between the two Koreas aside from a war?

I'd trust Canada over any other country.

the ongoing border dispute for one. it was just a ceasefire, not a truce. that korean war is still technically on.

Jubbergun · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 5:17 pm

Sorry, but Aestu looks to be right on this one. We do tend to get sucked into playing man-in-the-middle on this kind of stuff. Northern Ireland and the Palestinian-Israeli thing both go back a long way. I think Canada would be great for that kind of thing, but they lack the clout and power the U. S. brings to the table.

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Jubber

Yuratuhl · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 7:18 pm

The Irish thing was pretty successful. I don't think the Palestinian/Israeli conflict shows any sign of improvement. Closest we ever got was Clinton, and that got screwed by elections in Israel.

It's certainly true that Canada has tact where we've got guns and flags. And by that I mean they've got as many guns but don't seem to use them on each other nearly as much.

Usdk · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 7:19 pm

That's cuz half of them are french

Azelma · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 12:13 am

Yuratuhl · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 12:37 am

and burning down your White House since 1814.

Eturnalshift · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 7:32 am

Edit: Nvm. Just got learnt

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