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Watch it.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/245980/nbc-today-show-pharmacist-gets-life-sentence-in-teen’s-death












I honestly have no idea - but I feel like it was self defense. The extra five bullets he pumped into the kid looks bad...but perhaps he was just flipping out or something. I think if he had not done that he would have gotten off with self defense.

murder sure.

first degree my ass.

Yeah I was going to say.

Doesn't first degree require premeditation? How do you figure premeditation when the victim shot first?

Watched the video. It's absolutely first-degree murder.
What this guy did was disgusting.

The kid was already disabled and on the ground. The guy made the choice to go back into the store and get reloads to finish him off. It wasn't as if he had a gun in his hands, shot the kid, then made a split-second decision to keep shooting. He decided, he was going to go back, get more bullets, and kill the kid.

The very fact that he had freedom of action to run back into the store while the kid lay there proves the claim of self-defense is malarkey. If he was so worried about his safety he could have simply run around to the back of the store or something. The kid has a slug in him. He's not going anywhere.

Although this isn't a hate crime per se, I absolutely don't believe he'd have done that if the kids were white. And regardless of the criminality of what the kids did, they're still kids. That doesn't mean that they have license to go around robbing stores, it means that these kids' behavior is obviously driven by more serious issues, and it's not appropriate to shoot them like dogs.

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I'd love to see the media coverage if a black or latino guy shot a white kid like that

Excellent points and I bet this is exactly why the jury decided to put him in jail for life.

Thinking about it from this perspective it's pretty shocking that there's even support for him at all. But I guess that might touch on Zaryi's point.

I dunno man. I mean it absolutely looks like the kid was disabled, but you can't prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Therein lies the legal bullshit that might have gotten him off.

Glad it didn't. Plus I'm glad he shot the robber and wish he'd shot the other one too. Is that weird?

It's beyond a reasonable doubt, a small difference but important. You also can't really argue self-defense when you leave the premises and come back. His first shot was certainly SD, but pumping more rounds into a prone body after walking around for a while is most certainly not.

I don't think this has anything to do with race per se. The people defending him see it more as 'upstanding citizen' v. criminal. Certainly the fact that he was black make it easier to support the white man, and easier for his supporters to write this off as just another no good black trouble-maker, however I think they would be making a stink about it either way.



I'm happy seeing robbers get shot, I feel that if you run into a store and threaten people with a gun you get what's coming to you. I also think there's a line to be drawn. The kid was already shot and was down. I wouldn't be surprised if the kid was moving when he was shot 5 more times, but he was probably writhing around on the floor, and wasn't a threat. The pharmacist wasn't protecting himself when he shot that kid, he was committing murder.

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Initial thought reading OP "The extra five bullets he pumped into the kid looks bad" was unloading an entire magazine at someone in a row. But after watching the video I cannot agree with his actions beyond the initial shot(s) fired when the one escaped. He would have been fine up to that point. I'm with USD and Weena that first-degree murder doesn't seem appropriate at all. But even with second-degree it isn't any better.

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Watch for the first-degree part to get kicked on appeal. He'll probably still get at least manslaughter. He definitely went overboard.

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Nah, the first degree will stick. Premeditated only implies it wasn't a split second 'heat of the moment' decision. Leaving to get more bullets would qualify.

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Why must everything come back to a fucking race issue. People wonder why race issues are still around, BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T LET THEM GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree there are still some backwoods/idiotic/irrational racists out there but the majority are not. Eventually those idiots will die off.

Sorry not raging on you in particular Zaryi just don't see why this is the first thing that pops in someone's head when a white guy kills someone who isn't white.

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If he fired a couple shots and then called the police I wouldn't have any problem with what happened. What he did appears excessive. Even the argument that the kid was moving around on the ground isn't reason to unload another weapon into his body... you should be able to over-power someone you've already disabled. Do we know if the kid on the ground had a firearm on him or in his bookbag? That might be the one factor that could change my opinion of what happened.

I think that's where we all stand. He was certainly right in shooting the first time, and if he put 6 bullets into the kid before he hit the ground I would have still considered it self-defense.



When I first saw the video it looked like both kids had guns. That said, he twice left the immediate scene (once to go running after the uninjured kid, and once to go get his second gun) before coming back and unloading. The two other employees were both out that back at that point.

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