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You know I'm actually surprised it took this long for a state to get this through into law.

My favorite thing about the "war on drugs" is how the government will never win it.

Oh no hemp might ruin my lumber profits D:

Let's make it illegal!

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War on drugs is dumb, D.A.R.E. is inneffectual; just legalize it already

Yes, it is, and people should be allowed to choose whether or not to risk fucking their lives up with drugs (choice)...however, the flip side of the coin is that they have to suck it up and live with the consequences (responsibility/accountability) without expecting others to unwilling foot the bill (I have no opposition to voluntary charitable aid). That's why I support legalization, but also support potheads not sucking off the government teat.

We could probably pass legalization tomorrow if not for social conservatives.

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That and the billions and billions of dollars we've sunk into it

What propaganda????




Great film, eh Aestu?

its not about drugs, its about abusing a system designed to help people in need to buy shit that keeps you in poverty.

The point of the war on drugs is not to win it any more than the point of a putative war on crime would be to win it.

The point of prosecuting crime and drug use is to disallow socially destructive behavior. Some might say, doing drugs does harm to no one but the user. That might be true if we lived in a society in which starvation and infanticide were still acceptable - those are the mechanisms by which the fallout for individual choice is wholly localized.

That is not the world we live in. Drug users do NOT bear sole personal responsibility for their choices...the cost is paid by families, taxpayers, and by each individual member of the community that suffers when society becomes more coarse and hedonistic.

If drugs became legal, their production would be professionalized and we would see corporations creating and aggresively hawking drugs designed to be irresistable. What we see now with tobacco and video games would be magnified and the dynamic would apply to chemicals that would be destructive beyond their imagining.

History shows legalization doesn't work. Legalization was imposed on the chinese in the 19th century and the results were so destructive that they were willing to wage a hopeless war to stop the damage to their society. To this day the legacy of that war is so strong that is why China is so vigilant against drug abusers - and quite successfully, too.

Capitulation is unacceptable.

Any Mexican will tell you that what keeps the war on drugs going is not the illegality of drugs but the terrible incentives created by American dollars to fulfill the need. How American dollars are the engine that keeps Mexicans killing each other and buys guns for criminals here and south of the border. This law helps tighten that spigot and as such it is one of the least destructive and most effective means available.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

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Fallacy of the red herring variety. It's no different than Godwinning an argument. You're trying to demonize by association what you don't want to hear.

Roughly contemporaneous with that video were The Count of Monte Cristo and Sherlock Holmes, in which the protagonists were both habitual drug users who nonetheless managed their lives and affairs, and, more importantly, were men of drive. In both books, which, unlike that video, were not obscure, the implication is that their drug use is merely a private eccentricity.

Which brings us back to this law...those who would be unjustly persecuted by it, won't be subject to it, because they aren't the ones on welfare.

In another thread I praised the French lifestyle and alluded to the negative aspects of American consumerism. Drugs were illegal in France and England at the time, but the reason there was no war on drugs was the same reason that tobacco wasn't a controversial issue for the Native Americans. Tobacco wasn't viciously addictive; American industry made it that way. So to argue against legalization on the basis of the attributes of weed or any other drug, as if they're a fixed variable, is totally off base.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

If smoking weed ruined someones life they were a weak minded POS to start. If smoking weed some how got them into doing harder drugs they were on that path anyways. FUck all the whiny ass holes who wanna blame one thing or another for their own stupidity and short comings. That's the only thing this country is good at any more is blaming someone/something else for all the problems.

With that being said, I agree with this law. Welfare is there to help people get what they need to live and that's it. If you can't afford weed/cigs/booze you shouldn't be fucking buying them. But this comes back to weak minded and weak willed people making mistakes then using these things as an excuse. In my opinion people on welfare should have to prove that they are spending the money they are given on the right things via a log book with receipts to back it up. If shit starts not to jive, then cut the idiots off.

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AMEN.

It is not that simple. We do not live in a world so equitably merciless that only the weak suffer the consequences of their errors.

If pot wasn't compelling, people wouldn't be so vehement about not getting by without it.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

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And yes, yes it is.

So let me get this straight: when the government forces the population to pay for a prerequisite (drug testing) to a service they probably need to survive (welfare), it's acceptable.

When the government forces the population to pay for a prerequisite (health insurance) to a service they probably need to survive (healthcare), it's a disaster.

Do you retards even hear yourselves?

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