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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:31 pm  
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Do you honestly think a black man is going to win the republican nomination?

I mean, it'd be great, but considering all of the foaming hatred that's been expressed at Obama (ex. the noticable chunk of the party that thinks he's a Kenyan operative) , I think the same people that say that Obama is hitler/stalin/satan will jump (or, more likely, wheelchair) off of cliffs in mass droves.


I absolutely think a black man can win the republican nomination, but that's because I don't view the world through the prism of "everyone who disagrees with me hates brown people,' as demonstrated by the laughably juvenile argument that the reason people don't like President Obama is that his skin is too dark.

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We need to slash the budget for infrastructure so we can give more tax cuts to the richest 1% so they give us fractions of our money back because RONALD REAGAN.


Oh, sorry, I thought the reason republicans were evil was because they wanted to cut entitlement spending and toss grammy off a cliff.

This "richest 1%" nonsense needs to die, because it's not the "richest," it's the top 1% of earners, Earning=/=Wealth. You'd be surprised how many and what kind of people get caught in that 1%...and effects more people in that tax bracket than just the "wealthiest 1%"

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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
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Also, Johnson wasn't invited to the debate. Granted, the guy doesn't stand a chance, but I find it silly that he was excluded but Bachman (not running at the time) and Huckabee (said he isn't running) were invited.


You best be joking.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:37 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:45 pm  
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Republicans aren't even smart enough to make billions, why the fuck do they want to support the billionaires? I never understood that.

inb4 THEY ARE REPUBLICANS TOO! I'm willing to bet they became republicans to keep as much money as they could.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:47 pm  
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holy shit rich people want to keep their hard earned billions?


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:47 pm  
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Also

Mns wrote:
We need to slash the budget for infrastructure so we can give more tax cuts to the richest 1% so they give us fractions of our money back because RONALD REAGAN.


This made me lol. Pretty much sums up the republican argument.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:50 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
holy shit rich people want to keep their hard earned billions?


Usdk wrote:
hard earned


lol.

Also, they want to try and weasel their way out of the taxes that you and I still have to pay. Who then makes up the difference? The taxes don't magically go away. Also, they get BREAKS when they don't need them. YOU probably do. Or could use them at the very least.

Fuck, I'm rich as shit. You don't see me trying to hoard all my cash and try to get out of taxes that will help those in need.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
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considering how much the government wastes(under all administrations) I say they start plugging leaks.

then they would be able to quit borrowing money from china.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
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Fantastique wrote:
Usdk wrote:
holy shit rich people want to keep their hard earned billions?


Usdk wrote:
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lol.

Also, they want to try and weasel their way out of the taxes that you and I still have to pay. Who then makes up the difference? The taxes don't magically go away. Also, they get BREAKS when they don't need them. YOU probably do. Or could use them at the very least.

Fuck, I'm rich as shit. You don't see me trying to hoard all my cash and try to get out of taxes that will help those in need.


Are YOU rich as shit, or are YOUR PARENTS rich as shit? If the answer is the latter, ask Mom and Pop how they feel about it.

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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:22 pm  
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It's the latter, obviously, and I have asked my mom (dad passed away about 10 years ago, well before I started caring about political shenanigans so I never got a chance to ask). My mom is totally in favor of programs that help those less fortunate than we are.

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We have been blessed, and I have worked all my life to take advantage of that blessing. I also a lot of help, so it's high time we started helping as much as we can. After all, you cant take it with you.


She is against gay marriage though, but I chalk that up to being from a different time. And country.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
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The top 10% pay about 70% of the government's income in a year. They also own about 70% of all wealth, so that's pretty much spot on. The bottom 40% of Americans own less than 1% of the wealth. Keep crying about those taxes and how hard you have it.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:22 pm  
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No joking on all three points.




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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:34 pm  
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Fantastique wrote:
It's the latter, obviously, and I have asked my mom (dad passed away about 10 years ago, well before I started caring about political shenanigans so I never got a chance to ask). My mom is totally in favor of programs that help those less fortunate than we are.

Fant's Mom wrote:
We have been blessed, and I have worked all my life to take advantage of that blessing. I also a lot of help, so it's high time we started helping as much as we can. After all, you cant take it with you.


She is against gay marriage though, but I chalk that up to being from a different time. And country.


If you, your mom, or whoever wants to help other people, then do it.

When you start legislating it, and getting the government to do it, you force other people to help other people.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:32 pm  
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Dvergar wrote:
The top 10% pay about 70% of the government's income in a year. They also own about 70% of all wealth, so that's pretty much spot on. The bottom 40% of Americans own less than 1% of the wealth. Keep crying about those taxes and how hard you have it.


I hope you didn't rupture anything pulling those numbers out of your ass. :P

You're making the mistake of conflating income and wealth, which are two different things. I'm still trying to wrap my head around intelligent people not being able to discern the difference between the two.

While the federal government does track income (for tax purposes if nothing else), I can't find any evidence that it tracks wealth, which leads me to question how you come to the assertion that a group of taxpayers "owns 70% of all wealth." I'm also not sure where you're grabbing numbers for a "bottom 40%," since all the breakdowns I've managed to find chart the following:
Top 1%
Top 5%
Top 10%
Top 25%
Top 50%
Bottom 50%

The most recent numbers I've been able to find come from 2008, when the Bottom 50% paid 2.7% of all taxes.

I've only managed to find one comparison of how the percentage of overall income compares to the percentage of overall taxes paid, and those numbers are from 2000:

Income--------Taxable---------Percent of----------Percent of Total
Percentile------Income-------Total US Income-----Income taxes paid


Top 1%--------$313,469------20.81%-----------37.42%

Top 5%--------$128,336------35.30%-----------56.47%

Top 10%-------$92,144-------46.01%-----------67.33%

Top 25%-------$55,225-------67.15%-----------84.01%

Top 50%-------$27,682-------87.01%-----------96.09%

Extending from those numbers it appears that the Bottom 50% earned 12.99% of Total US Income but only paid 3.91% of all taxes.

Looking at those numbers not only do we see how the tax burden is disproportionately distributed, but we can also see that the disparity is growing since the Bottom 50% saw their percentage of taxes paid shrink from 3.91% in 2000 to 2.7% in 2008.

But I guess that those groups in the Top 50% paying anywhere from 16.61% to 21.7% more in taxes than they represent in income somehow represents how "The Rich" are taking advantage of the system, amirite?

This sort of imbalance doesn't encourage a lot Americans to feel like they have a stake in the decision about whether a form of government spending is worth the cost. The longer this imbalance exists, the more it suggests to many that the cost can be put on someone else, making it less likely that citizens are going to let their politicians know what they really care about versus what they just think is nice if it's 'free.'

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 Post subject: Re: GOP Debate on CNN.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:59 pm  
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US wealth and income distribution are estimated by the Federal Reserve in the Survey of Consumer Finances. I'm not sure where you got your tax numbers from (links are useful), but I suspect they're only for federal income tax. That's not the only type of tax you pay, and when you include all taxes the distribution is much less progressive.

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