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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:50 pm  
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Dvergar wrote:
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Only people on the right are offensive.

This is a widely believed fact reported by people on the left.


I think we need a new rule in our political debates. If your only response when someone brings up a fault with your side is to say "the other side does it too" you should just eat a ban.


You could call that the USD doctrine, considering I'm always the first one to call people on it.

All the pundits are insane. Everyone just listens to their particular favored flavor. Personally, I dont listen to any of those hate mongering bile spewing psychopaths.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:26 am  
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So that whole rant he went on blaspheming about how Jesus is all about the rich people being able to keep all their money, that's totally ok with you because he was really just doing 'a thing'?


I'd have to hear the piece to which you're referring (and I'm betting you probably would, too) to know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was doing a 'media tweak' or some type of satire. Having actually listened to the program (something most people who ask "but he said X, are you okay with that?" haven't done), and having listened to it for several years on-and-off, I know he does a lot of that. I don't see why I should find his humor any less funny or more offensive than Jon Stewart or Bill Maher.

And when I say "hear the piece," I mean the whole segment, not just the 10 or more seconds of whatever I'm supposed to be finding offensive.

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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:39 am  
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With a word as funny sounding as 'pundit', how could you take anybody who uses such a label seriously?

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Also, since Jubber's post slipped in right before mine and delayed my posting.

In regard to the 'Jesus is for rich people keeping their money', would be a misrepresentation or miscommunication of what I hear. (I'm not sure which dude/dudette who said it we're talking about though).

The comment goes along the line "Jesus would not approve of the forceful taking one's money for charity. Because then it's not charity. People have to be charitable of their own free will." This is said in response to some churches and groups advocating that taxes being used to help whoever in whatever way is just and moral, whether implicit or explicit.

Which runs in the same vein as the "Those forced to be faithful aren't actually faithful." when Christians are posed the question about free will, evil, and why they exist.

But like I said, I'm not sure who we're talking about. So they may very well have said Jesus wants the rich to stay rich. Which is retarded.

Lucky for them, Jesus loves even his retarded children.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:38 am  
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Even conservatives tune into Maddow every once in a while, just as I sometimes watch Fox (my brain can only handle so much stupid though, so it usually isn't for long).

Everyone who watches contributes to ratings, which is why they are a stupid thing to go by. Oh, and what Azelma said - Jersey Shore has great ratings, so.......

Oh and I pretty much agree with everything Azelma has said so far. I really like you Azelma, I wish you were Horde.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
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Luckily most of the people who watch jersey shore don't/can't vote.


don't because they're lazy or stupid

can't because they're kids or convicts.

edit: Frankly I'm disgusted that with all the money floating around on the right wing, the best programming they can manage is god damned fox news.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:58 am  
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Usdk wrote:
Frankly I'm disgusted that with all the money floating around on the right wing, the best programming they can manage is god damned fox news.


It does exactly what it is designed to do and it does it extremely well.

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I think Rush Limbaugh gets a bad rap, because the only thing most people who don't like him have ever heard that he's actually said are out of context sound-bites. You really have to listen to him for like a month and a half to understand what he's doing.


Rush Limbaugh is an idiot, a coward, and a hypocrite.

Growing up in Sacramento you could find ten copies of his books in every used bookstore so of course I leafed through them. His books are mostly profanity-filled rants about his own pathetic inferiority complex (getting off at being called "Professor") and sexual deprivation (how good radio sex felt on one isolated occasion).

He went on record saying that all drug addicts deserved to lose everything, then it was revealed that he had been abusing painkillers for years in enormous quantities. He made the most vicious slanders of other political figures then turned into a pussy and begged for mercy when OTHER people got on him for his hypocrisy.

He called soldiers who fought in Iraq and thought the war was stupid "phony soldiers", then said BUT I DIDN'T RLY MEAN THAT SOZ. He's a chickenshit - strives to be as offensive as possible so he can get noticed but stops just short of going over the line; when he does, rather than manning up and clarifying what he meant or saying "I have the right to say that", he says he didn't really mean it.

So he suddenly "doesn't mean" something when it goes just over the line? Hmm. Seems more likely he doesn't mean anything he says and will just say whatever gets him attention.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:36 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
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I think Rush Limbaugh gets a bad rap, because the only thing most people who don't like him have ever heard that he's actually said are out of context sound-bites. You really have to listen to him for like a month and a half to understand what he's doing.


Rush Limbaugh is an idiot, a coward, and a hypocrite.


This reminds me of an old adage: We always curse in others what we see most prominently in ourselves.

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Growing up in Sacramento you could find ten copies of his books in every used bookstore so of course I leafed through them. His books are mostly profanity-filled rants about his own pathetic inferiority complex (getting off at being called "Professor") and sexual deprivation (how good radio sex felt on one isolated occasion).


I've read a few of his books, and while they aren't great works of literature, I remember neither a lot of profanity nor much sexual content.

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He went on record saying that all drug addicts deserved to lose everything, then it was revealed that he had been abusing painkillers for years in enormous quantities. He made the most vicious slanders of other political figures then turned into a pussy and begged for mercy when OTHER people got on him for his hypocrisy.


Yeah, he did. He also apologized for being wrong for years, because he believed, like a lot of people who never deal with substance abuse personally, that addiction was just a form of personal weakness that was being excused as a medical condition. It does sound self-serving, but he had to 'walk a mile in another man's shoes' to get his mind right. Would that he had the epiphany without being a junkie, but that's not the case, and people should be glad in his change of advocacy.

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He called soldiers who fought in Iraq and thought the war was stupid "phony soldiers", then said BUT I DIDN'T RLY MEAN THAT SOZ. He's a chickenshit - strives to be as offensive as possible so he can get noticed but stops just short of going over the line; when he does, rather than manning up and clarifying what he meant or saying "I have the right to say that", he says he didn't really mean it.


Thanks for bringing this one up, because it is a prime example of the out of context commentary that is generally used to beat the guy up to people who haven't actually listened for themselves. There were at least a few soldiers who came back from Iraq and spoke out against the war, but the ones Limbaugh refers to with this line were proven to have not served in Iraq, or in at least one example, not in the military at all. Limbaugh's assault against these posers was misconstrued by other pundits as being against all the servicemen who had spoken out against the war, which was not the case. The thing that makes the case most interesting is that he found the phonies because they had been used in or interviewed for news/human interest stories...which was unnecessary since there were plenty of legitimate soldiers they could have interviewed.

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So he suddenly "doesn't mean" something when it goes just over the line? Hmm. Seems more likely he doesn't mean anything he says and will just say whatever gets him attention.


It's not "sudden." In a lot of cases, he tells his audience what he's going to say before he says it or announces a 'media tweak,' then says it. Anyone capable of taping him for rebroadcast on Mediaite or Media Matters should be capable of recognizing they're being punked. I guess that's a concept a little above the head of someone who confuses something they skimmed umpteen years ago with something out of Salinger and, as usual, has no first-hand knowledge about that which he's shooting off his fat yapper. Maybe you stop presenting your assumptions and delusions as fact and just wait until we need an expert on what not to use for sexual lubricants.

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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:43 pm  
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Ironically, lube jokes are very uncomfortable for aestu.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:01 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
Aestu wrote:
He went on record saying that all drug addicts deserved to lose everything, then it was revealed that he had been abusing painkillers for years in enormous quantities. He made the most vicious slanders of other political figures then turned into a pussy and begged for mercy when OTHER people got on him for his hypocrisy.


Yeah, he did. He also apologized for being wrong for years, because he believed, like a lot of people who never deal with substance abuse personally, that addiction was just a form of personal weakness that was being excused as a medical condition. It does sound self-serving, but he had to 'walk a mile in another man's shoes' to get his mind right. Would that he had the epiphany without being a junkie, but that's not the case, and people should be glad in his change of advocacy.


That could apply to his whole ideology.

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Aestu wrote:
He called soldiers who fought in Iraq and thought the war was stupid "phony soldiers", then said BUT I DIDN'T RLY MEAN THAT SOZ. He's a chickenshit - strives to be as offensive as possible so he can get noticed but stops just short of going over the line; when he does, rather than manning up and clarifying what he meant or saying "I have the right to say that", he says he didn't really mean it.


Thanks for bringing this one up, because it is a prime example of the out of context commentary that is generally used to beat the guy up to people who haven't actually listened for themselves. There were at least a few soldiers who came back from Iraq and spoke out against the war, but the ones Limbaugh refers to with this line were proven to have not served in Iraq, or in at least one example, not in the military at all. Limbaugh's assault against these posers was misconstrued by other pundits as being against all the servicemen who had spoken out against the war, which was not the case. The thing that makes the case most interesting is that he found the phonies because they had been used in or interviewed for news/human interest stories...which was unnecessary since there were plenty of legitimate soldiers they could have interviewed.


That wasn't the context at all nor is it relevant.


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So he suddenly "doesn't mean" something when it goes just over the line? Hmm. Seems more likely he doesn't mean anything he says and will just say whatever gets him attention.


It's not "sudden." In a lot of cases, he tells his audience what he's going to say before he says it or announces a 'media tweak,' then says it. Anyone capable of taping him for rebroadcast on Mediaite or Media Matters should be capable of recognizing they're being punked. I guess that's a concept a little above the head of someone who confuses something they skimmed umpteen years ago with something out of Salinger and, as usual, has no first-hand knowledge about that which he's shooting off his fat yapper. Maybe you stop presenting your assumptions and delusions as fact and just wait until we need an expert on what not to use for sexual lubricants.


It absolutely was sudden. The comment in question was said during a radio dialogue with a listener who agreed with his viewpoint. He said something in his typical manner that happened to go over a particular social red line, then backtracked.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
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JUBBER LIES.

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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
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somehow guys, aestu will still be right.

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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
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Aestu wrote:
That could apply to his whole ideology.


It could if he had more experiences that change his views...what's your point? Oh, I forgot, you never have one except "LOLeVERyONE AM WRonG FOR THEy aM NOT SO SMARt IS mE."

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That wasn't the context at all nor is it relevant.


Yes, that was the context, and it is relevant, because you're spreading false bullshit and presenting as fact. I'll let the man speak for himself, from Limbaugh's own site:

"I was not talking, as Contessa Brewer said here, about the anti-war movement generally. I was talking about one soldier with that phony soldier comment, Jesse MacBeth."

Just a refresher, but this is Jesse MacBeth...though I guess that's not relevant.


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It absolutely was sudden. The comment in question was said during a radio dialogue with a listener who agreed with his viewpoint. He said something in his typical manner that happened to go over a particular social red line, then backtracked.


Was it really? How do you know? Because you read it someplace, like you did the 'phony soldiers' claim? You're a git.

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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
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LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --

CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.

CALLER 2: Exactly, sir.


You'll really believe whatever you're told.

He's NOT talking about people who aren't enlisted, because he says "these soldiers".
He's NOT talking about this ONE person, because he uses the plural.
He's NOT talking about frauds, because he's talking in the context of people who "know where they're going".

He's talking about people who joined, served, and then opposed the war.


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I'm still trying to figure out why anyone listens to (and believes more than 0% of) Rush Limbaugh in this century.


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Yuratuhl wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why anyone listens to (and believes more than 0% of) Rush Limbaugh in this century.


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