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supposed to, yes.

but then there's bad apples in every bunch. I think people hate lawyers as much or more than cops

People hate lawyers more than cops because people are small and shallow, and a world of black-and-white characters and quick and easy solutions is a lot more appealing than the grey areas of the legal process.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

we get it, you hate people.


shut up.

Dvergar /
Quisling

To all the people who were arguing that the only legal underpinning of and reason for marriage has to do with children: respectfully, you're retarded.

I could sit here and write a list of things, legally, that change when you become a person's spouse as opposed to their long term partner, but if you honestly don't know about any of them then you're so oblivious it would be wasted effort anyway.

Akina: bitch I will stab you in the face

Everything that legally changes when you get married can be legally changed via seperate contracts without being married. marriage, as an institution, is outdated.

Respectfully, I didn't claim that was the ONLY reason for marriage...there are many other reasons for marriage obviously. I'm saying the institution itself though is designed to encourage successful child-rearing (while also joining two families, blah blah etc. etc.). If you don't believe this...then you are retarded!

This is very, very inaccurate. Even if it were accurate, the burden of legal costs for upwards of one thousand rights given to married couples would be excessively onerous.

You are the most consistently uninformed person who gets involved with these political debates, so here is some enlightenment: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf

This is a list of 1049 federal laws where marital status is a factor. It is 14 years old and only includes federal laws.



That's not an argument to deny same-sex marriage, and it is not being used to keep infertile individuals from being married.

Dvergar /
Quisling

I think we're getting confused here...I'm for same-sex marriage. I'm just saying what the institution itself was supposed to be (back in the day). Morons use this argument to say we shouldn't legalize same-sex marriage....I maintain that society has shifted and gay guys can adopt kids...so marriage could still be used as an incentive for homos to get kids and raise them.

I didn't say it was efficient. Marriage being the all-in-one bag of laws set down that it is, its the most efficient way sure, but you can have seperate contracts for everything you want. Still, marriage is a very odd legal pile of bullshit compared to the religious versions of marriage.

So good day sir.

How so? You don't need a lawyer to claim these rights, just a notary. It's a few hundred bucks at extreme most to get the documents notarized and submitted to the county courthouse.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

One example from the pdf I linked: We've all heard about marriages and green cards. You need to be married for 3 years before you get your green card. No matter how long you're in a civil union or any other coupling you will never have the right to sponsor permanent residence for your significant other because INS doesn't recognizes civil unions, only marriages for the 3 year rule.

Like I said in the first sentence, it's inaccurate to say all the rights can be acquired in other ways. Many can't be acquired at all and one would have to do extensive research costing even more time and money just to try to be on equal footing to two yokels and an 80 dollar marriage license.

Dvergar /
Quisling

So, gay Americans who marry gay foreigners seeking citizenship...? How many people fit into that category, do you think?

That's really stretching it in terms of sheer numbers and relevance...and potential for abuse.

From the INS's standpoint these laws would make no difference anyway since federal laws take precedence over state laws and the federal law does not recognize gay marriage.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

So now we're judging rights by how many people are affected?



It's one of 1049 from the link. You asked for an example and you got one. If people were looking to abuse it they could do that right now.



The quote that started this: "Everything that legally changes when you get married can be legally changed via seperate contracts without being married."

Dvergar /
Quisling