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So I remind you of some assholes that have been handed everything in life?

I like how only conservatives can be racist.

and no liberals see that as prejudiced.

I see all of you as future stock in fertilizer.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
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+1 for good observation skills I suppose!

I jest, I jest. Keep your panties on.

Also, what's wrong with parents paying for a good education for their kids again? Just wondering.

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No worries, mate, apparently it only makes you an asshole if you think you shouldn't be forced to hand over your cash to other people as a reward for running their life into the ground. Since you have no issues with robbing Peter to pay Paul, you're still A-OK.



Still trying to figure out why anyone thinks people have an obligation to people they don't know and may never meet, but their kids are assholes because their parents are fulfilling their obligations to them.

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Jubber

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This is where I'm tempted to get into reduction of public schools in favor of private schools.

But I wont because this thread is about drugs.

And how dumb MN legislature is.

I'll be honest, I'm not quite understanding what you're trying to say here.

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Nothing.

Oh yeah? Well I see you as a damn Frenchie.

SO THERE.

He's saying its funny that you think the rich should be forced to pay for a bunch of strangers to not have to work, but certain mayos of your side of the argument think that parents who willingly give their kids the best they can are assholes.

Mayo doesn't think you're a dick for having a good parent(s) pay your way and set you up in life, he only thinks that makes someone a dick if they disagree with him.

I'm also saying it's odd to think that people have an obligation to strangers (the 'less fortunate') and should be paying their way. It's doubly odd when that thinking extends to make you think that when those people fulfill their legitimate obligation(s) to their children, that the children in question are somehow assholes because of it.

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Jubber

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Ohhhh gotcha. Interesting.

I think we (the fortunate) should have an obligation to pay for other people (who may be strangers but are still our fellow Americans, just less fortunate) since we are all citizens of this great country and we should help one another out. It propels us toward a brighter future. That being said, I don't think a few people should (or even can) do it on their own. But if a lot of fortunate people contribute, the effect is greater. Wouldn't it be awesome if we didn't have poverty in this nation? How about no homeless people? How about through-the-roof literacy? That would be sweet! Call me an idealist, an optimist, or downright naive, but if everyone in the US was well-to-do, we'd be a far greater country than we are now.

I do agree that people who have been "set up for life," as you put it, should not be considered assholes. Why should they? Their parents worked hard for them and wanted the best for them. I do think that once they are standing on their own two feet, however, they should try and spread their good fortune so that others may enjoy what they enjoy. Hell, my mom has pretty much set me up. She worked her ass off after my father passed so that in the future I wouldn't have any college / med school debt, a good network of employers, and a good social standing. But even given my god fortune, I consider myself to be the antithesis of asshole. That view may be biased, but meh.

That's just my two cents, not looking to start another argument because we have all been down this road before and I'm pretty sure I know where most of you stand. Just wanted to clarify my opinions again.

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I agree with you to a point about those fortunate helping out those less fortunate.


Where I draw the line is when it becomes "those who work" helping "those who are lazy or like to abuse the system"

Am I fortunate to be in a place where I have a good secure job? Of course. I realize my position in life helped enable me to get here (although my parents didn't pay for a dime of my college...I got loans and held a job like a real man)

In any case - now that I work and see how much the government likes to steal from my paycheck to distribute to others, many that don't work...I sometimes get pissed.

I think we all agree and think that would win so hard that we'd go blind, but the issue isn't "do we want this," it's "how do we get to this," and the way we've been doing it in this country for the last...80 years(?) hasn't worked, but some people want to not just keep rolling with it, but expand it. When you say things like that, though, some people shrug it off by saying it's just because you "hate poor people," but that's not the case, especially since I'm not exactly wealthy. We can't have a serious discussion about the subject until every argument against one side isn't "you hate (insert group here)," or some other silliness to that effect.

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Jubber

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your parents worked hard and were taxed so X person could benefit is better than your parents worked hard and gave willingly so their child can benefit how?